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| | Subject: Re: Yanks and Guns Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:39 am | |
| - floatingingalway wrote:
- If you had been thrown into a housing estate 20 years ago, miles away from your original community- no public transport, no community centre, nothing but a big, horrible label of living in a council estate- what prospects would you have? Very few. I'm sure a few of us are old enough to remember that addresses mattered on CVs. They mattered big time.
Now imagine bringing your children up in a place enveloped by this depressive atmosphere. Imagine having the dilemma of protecting versus socialising your children. Imagine the horror of gang warfare in your area. This is real. It's happening down the road from us, be it Limerick, Tallaght, Derry or Wateford; it's everywhere and it's an epidemic. There are so many families, innocent familes, who, by pure bad luck, ended up in these areas and now not only have to suffer the label of living in Moyross et al but also have to live literally in fear of their lives.
It is amazing that in our so-called 'Global Village' that so many live in complete ignorance of what is happening on their own doorstep.
What is really depressing is that the people who do know this is happening are choosing to ignore it and are starting a new pattern every time an exclusively social housing estate is built. This is all very true, but even with all those disadvantages a lot of the estates were good places to live, considering no public transport and very few jobs. It was only when the grants stripped out everyone in work out of the population that the whole thing went sideways. And even now, most people in the estates are decent people and they still have to think about lying about their address when they apply for a job. |
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| | Subject: Re: Yanks and Guns Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:09 am | |
| - cactus flower wrote:
- evercloserunion wrote:
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- evercloserunion wrote:
- I don't get it... was it the Council who burned out that house? I doubt it. I understand that we need to invest more into our struggling communities, but to blame the activities of scumbags of the local authorities is pointless.
There are 250 houses derelict and burnt out in Limerick at the moment, according to the link. They have demolished hundreds. How can that possibly be a consequence just of the actions of a few "bad boys" - who are a tiny few of the people living in those areas?
Bad policy left a mass of houses empty for years in an unpoliced area. The houses did not get a makeover by "Grand Designs". It is a picture of public neglect and policy mistakes uncorrected for year after year.
Do you think if local authority management had to live within these areas this situation would have been allowed? So we can't blame it on the scumbags? Tell me. Do you believe the council burnt out those houses?
evercloserunion, whole rows of houses were left vacant and unsecured for years on end. Yes, so far as I am concerned, Government and the local authorities were entirely responsible for those houses being burnt down through their gross and negligent mismanagement. Well I think that's the kind of attitude that's contributing to the problem. I might just go out tommorrow night and get pumped up on meth and burn down my local school and then I can testify against my local councillor. |
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| | Subject: Re: Yanks and Guns Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:01 am | |
| - imokyrok wrote:
- youngdan wrote:
- 3 murders in 3 days. Same as the US per capita. The soft approach is not working too well
Statistics doesn't quite work like that YD. But while on the subject - the US has 1 in every 100 adults in jail , we have less than 1in 1200. 1 in every 36 adults is in the penal system in the US between probation, parole etc. Basically the US is one gigantic penal colony. Guns haven't done much for it, have they? We should hope that it is a nasty abberation. I expect things to get bad as economic stress kicks in. Hopefully anger will be directed where deserved and not to spouses and other innocent people. God help anyone who has legal problems in the US, it is a foul industry. We have here a DA, District Attorney, who is elected. They build political careers from railroading innocent people. Giuliani is a perfect example. If you are a poor person forget about it. Prisons are big business and there is more people in prison etc than China. Guns have nothing to do with it and most are non violent drug offenders. The war on drugs is another scam to keep multitudes making money. Police departments love it as they keep a portion of everything confiscated. Finally as the song says. If you are black, you might as well not show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohyQblkQ8fc |
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| | Subject: Re: Yanks and Guns Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:24 pm | |
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| | Subject: Re: Yanks and Guns Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:29 pm | |
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| | Subject: Re: Yanks and Guns Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:33 pm | |
| - evercloserunion wrote:
- cactus flower wrote:
- evercloserunion wrote:
- cactus flower wrote:
- evercloserunion wrote:
- I don't get it... was it the Council who burned out that house? I doubt it. I understand that we need to invest more into our struggling communities, but to blame the activities of scumbags of the local authorities is pointless.
There are 250 houses derelict and burnt out in Limerick at the moment, according to the link. They have demolished hundreds. How can that possibly be a consequence just of the actions of a few "bad boys" - who are a tiny few of the people living in those areas?
Bad policy left a mass of houses empty for years in an unpoliced area. The houses did not get a makeover by "Grand Designs". It is a picture of public neglect and policy mistakes uncorrected for year after year.
Do you think if local authority management had to live within these areas this situation would have been allowed? So we can't blame it on the scumbags? Tell me. Do you believe the council burnt out those houses?
evercloserunion, whole rows of houses were left vacant and unsecured for years on end. Yes, so far as I am concerned, Government and the local authorities were entirely responsible for those houses being burnt down through their gross and negligent mismanagement. Well I think that's the kind of attitude that's contributing to the problem. I might just go out tommorrow night and get pumped up on meth and burn down my local school and then I can testify against my local councillor. Well, that's going to happen in Dublin 4, not. Good housing policy would have prevented this. No one had even heard of meth when this started. |
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