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Pity we can't say the same thing about Lake Chad.



http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/gsfc/earth/environ/lakechad/chad.htm

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Lake Chad, once one of the African continent's largest bodies of fresh water, has dramatically decreased in size due to climate change and human demand for water. Once a great lake close in surface area to North America's Lake Erie, Lake Chad is now a ghost of its former self. According to a study by University of Wisconsin- Madison researchers, working with NASA's Earth Observing System program, the lake is now 1/20th of the size it was 35 years ago.

Found at the intersection of four different countries in West Africa (Chad, Niger, Nigeria and Cameroon,) Lake Chad has been the source of water for massive irrigation projects. In addition, the region has suffered from an increasingly dry climate, experiencing a significant decline in rainfall since the early 1960's.

The article says that is has been the sourse of water for massive irrigation programs.

Now even Papal Kmight can figure out that when you take massive amounts of water out of a lake it will shrink.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Chad

For goodness sake will you read up on lake chad before you insist on making yourself look silly. The pond is only 10 meters deep at max and has been completely dry numerous times.

Honest to God I don't know whether you or Papal is the more foolish

It could be worse, global warming is kicking in up in Alaska as well there there are new record cold tempertures.

-79 degrees. That is pretty chilly. I can't figure out how the ice is melting at 111 degrees below freezing.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=99162528

So this will be the last page of the weather thread then ?

Most likely. The sweltering amigos dont like talking about these record breaking cold tempertures. According to loons like Papal Kmight I should be out picking coconuts by now

youngdan wrote:

Most likely. The sweltering amigos dont like talking about these record breaking cold tempertures. According to loons like Papal Kmight I should be out picking coconuts by now

It's the persistent inability to distinguish between weather and climate - eventually one realises one is dealing with someone who'd sneak out of their chemotherapy treatment for a quick fag.

You are now as lame as poor Papal Kmight.

Everyone is laughing at ye so just keep repeating that the globe warming is the reason we are all freezing

Meanwhile in the real world that everyone else is living in the Russian scientists are telling us that we are entering a new ice age

http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/106922-earth_ice_age-0

It really is time to take off the tin foil hats

youngdan wrote:

You are now as lame as poor Papal Kmight.

Everyone is laughing at ye so just keep repeating that the globe warming is the reason we are all freezing

Meanwhile in the real world that everyone else is living in the Russian scientists are telling us that we are entering a new ice age

http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/106922-earth_ice_age-0

It really is time to take off the tin foil hats

not to worry, i'm sure the greens will solve it by taxing or banning something, maybe leather shoes or battery operated watches.

We have got green loons coming to power here but the Irish at least are wising up to the whackjobs. They are at 2%. They want to send Ireland back to the 7th century

no way, not with all that reckless wood chopping for houses and turf burning for warmth. 2000bc more like! stone age hunter gatherers are the future!

youngdan wrote:

You are now as lame as poor Papal Kmight.

Everyone is laughing at ye so just keep repeating that the globe warming is the reason we are all freezing

Meanwhile in the real world that everyone else is living in the Russian scientists are telling us that we are entering a new ice age

http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/106922-earth_ice_age-0

It really is time to take off the tin foil hats

When it comes down to Lake Chad it seems to be Nasa vs Wikipedia. It's refreshing to see that you dismiss NASA and believe Pravda - I always knew there was a revolutionary in there somewhere. I'd be most interested to hear what Ibis thinks about the Pravda story. He would probably say these people want to keep selling their oil and gas. Meanwhile, Lake Chad is drying up, the Sahara desert is turning green, and you are freezing your socks off. The one thing that is certain in all this is that the climate is changing.

That would be it all right. Back when Ireland was covered in ice. Luckily a bit of global warming came along to thaw the country out

Hmm. The dinosaurs are restless tonight. We know youngdan doesn't understand the science (or Moon landings) - and isn't prepared to learn - but what's your excuse, zakalwe?

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When it comes down to Lake Chad it seems to be Nasa vs Wikipedia. It's refreshing to see that you dismiss NASA and believe Pravda - I always knew there was a revolutionary in there somewhere. I'd be most interested to hear what Ibis thinks about the Pravda story. He would probably say these people want to keep selling their oil and gas. Meanwhile, Lake Chad is drying up, the Sahara desert is turning green, and you are freezing your socks off. The one thing that is certain in all this is that the climate is changing.

The Russians are quite right in terms of where we ought to be in the natural climate cycle. We're currently in an interglacial, set during the longer generally glacial climate of the last 2 million years or so. This point was made in Western climate studies during the 1970's, and picked up in the press as the idea that we would soon enter a new Ice Age. Russia now has the thirty subsequent years of climate science to catch up on - the current understanding is that we've almost certainly put off the next glacial, and may have achieved 'escape velocity' from the whole glacial climate cycle.

Whew, that was close. Here was I thinking that 111 degrees below freezing was unusual.

Keep it up Ibis because these frigid
temps are heading my way.

I can't take no more of this warming. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.

These dumb Rooskie scientists are 30 years behind Ibis, Papal Kmight and Al Gorelioni.

Nobody could make this up

When ye're all asleep I'll cut these CLIMATE posts into the CLIMATE thread.

Because that's interesting now - we're on the verge of another Ice Age ? Jaysus. Something to do with the precession of the earth's tilt ?

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The earth is now on the brink of entering another Ice Age, according to a large and compelling body of evidence from within the field of climate science. Many sources of data which provide our knowledge base of long-term climate change indicate that the warm, twelve thousand year-long Holocene period will rather soon be coming to an end, and then the earth will return to Ice Age conditions for the next 100,000 years.

Ice cores, ocean sediment cores, the geologic record, and studies of ancient plant and animal populations all demonstrate a regular cyclic pattern of Ice Age glacial maximums which each last about 100,000 years, separated by intervening warm interglacials, each lasting about 12,000 years.

Most of the long-term climate data collected from various sources also shows a strong correlation with the three astronomical cycles which are together known as the Milankovich cycles. The three Milankovich cycles include the tilt of the earth, which varies over a 41,000 year period; the shape of the earth’s orbit, which changes over a period of 100,000 years; and the Precession of the Equinoxes, also known as the earth’s ‘wobble’, which gradually rotates the direction of the earth’s axis over a period of 26,000 years. According to the Milankovich theory of Ice Age causation, these three astronomical cycles, each of which effects the amount of solar radiation which reaches the earth, act together to produce the cycle of cold Ice Age maximums and warm interglacials.

http://english.pravda.ru/science/earth/106922-earth_ice_age-0

How long would it take for this to kick in properly anyway if it was true ? A couple of decades ? No point in building that bunker right now exactly is there ?

youngdan wrote:

Nobody could make this up

Youingdan, this is a chart of global temperatures over history:



This is a chart of global emissions over history:



And this is a chart of future estimates of global temperatures:



Emissions levels...



and sea levels....



I wish I could agree with you and say that climate change and its concomitant calamities was a fallacy, but it's not, and there is a vast array of scientific studies which confirm this. Accept the facts youngdan and cease demeaning yourself with your increasingly desperate straw man arguments and slurs on other posters as being part of the, "tin-foil hat" brigade.

ibis wrote:

Hmm. The dinosaurs are restless tonight. We know youngdan doesn't understand the science (or Moon landings) - and isn't prepared to learn - but what's your excuse, zakalwe?

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When it comes down to Lake Chad it seems to be Nasa vs Wikipedia. It's refreshing to see that you dismiss NASA and believe Pravda - I always knew there was a revolutionary in there somewhere. I'd be most interested to hear what Ibis thinks about the Pravda story. He would probably say these people want to keep selling their oil and gas. Meanwhile, Lake Chad is drying up, the Sahara desert is turning green, and you are freezing your socks off. The one thing that is certain in all this is that the climate is changing.

The Russians are quite right in terms of where we ought to be in the natural climate cycle. We're currently in an interglacial, set during the longer generally glacial climate of the last 2 million years or so. This point was made in Western climate studies during the 1970's, and picked up in the press as the idea that we would soon enter a new Ice Age. Russia now has the thirty subsequent years of climate science to catch up on - the current understanding is that we've almost certainly put off the next glacial, and may have achieved 'escape velocity' from the whole glacial climate cycle.

working 14hours plus. and i don't like greens tax and ban policy for all issues.

zakalwe wrote:

working 14hours plus. and i don't like greens tax and ban policy for all issues.

The Greens are on the right side of history and their vision, if implemented, would lead to a truly balanced, sustainable and prosperous future for us all.

Thanks for that YD, it hadn't occurred to me to wonder what Vlad n Dmitry thought of global warming.... but I could have guessed. Country to support, fossil fuel to sell! Them muscovites have gotten used to their bling, or so I hear

Let us hope that Pravda lives up to it's reputation and not its name and that it turns out to be wrong; global cooling in the face of diminishing fossil fuel reserves Would Not Be Funny....

I have often wondered about global warming and negative feed back loops though.....and I'm surprised Pravda forgot the sunspots

I have news for you A-T. History did not start at 1880. It started billions of years ago. What is more I don't give a rats ass about 0.2 degrees change when we have gone through numerous ice ages and swings in temperture of 50 degrees.

I am openingly laughing at ye with yeer projections while record cold is everywhere.

Also you seem to believe that emissions have anything to do with warming despite the fact there was no emissions for the melting of the last 8 ice ages and none on the other planets now, which are warming.

The 5 of ye are nutcases who won't believe yeer eyes

Would anybody be able to pull up a couple of reliable graphs for temperatures over the last 5-10,000 years?

I will make it easy on you. When Ireland was covered in ice it was most likely below freezing point. If you don't see a glacier and a polar bear when you look out the window then the climate has warmed since then.

According to A-T it got colder and only started warming at 1880 when the first automobile came along

youngdan wrote:

I will make it easy on you. When Ireland was covered in ice it was most likely below freezing point. If you don't see a glacier and a polar bear when you look out the window then the climate has warmed since then.

According to A-T it got colder and only started warming at 1880 when the first automobile came along

No graph?

youngdan wrote:

I have news for you A-T. History did not start at 1880. It started billions of years ago. What is more I don't give a rats ass about 0.2 degrees change when we have gone through numerous ice ages and swings in temperture of 50 degrees.

Fine then, have a look at this graph:



The temperature increase we are seeing is beyond what we have seen for the last 1000 years and is part of a clear warming trend which goes far beyond your blinkered vision.

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I am openingly laughing at ye with yeer projections while record cold is everywhere.

I don't see why you are when you're laughing in the face of a mountain of scientific evidence from the people whose job it is to know, measure and study these things. All you have is this week's weather, what these people have is thousands of years of climatological observation. You are mistaking an extraordinarily short-term event for a long-term trend. That is like me saying that if the ISEQ rose 10% over a week that the stock exchange crash was a myth and that anyone who told me that its rise didn't invalidate its long-term trend downwards was a fool.

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Also you seem to believe that emissions have anything to do with warming despite the fact there was no emissions for the melting of the last 8 ice ages and none on the other planets now, which are warming.

Climatologists who again know, study and measure these things have realised that various other factors like sunspots, changes in the Earth's orbit, changes in the Earth's mantle, tectonic activity and solar flares had been the cause of previous ice ages. After exhaustive research over the past few decades, these explanations have not been satisfactory for the current changes in climate and the consensus has ineluctably reached the conclusion that climate change is anthropogenic.

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The 5 of ye are nutcases who won't believe yeer eyes

It is you who are the nutcase for sacrificing scientific rigour, the ability to distinguish between weather and climate and sense to pursue this intellectually unsustainable position.

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