Ganley and the mad mullahs

cookiemonster wrote:

cactus flower wrote:

because a political party and a website selling earrings has so much in common...

Same founder and Executive Director. Hopefull same project life-span.
He has a habit of moving on.

He also has a habit of being very successful.

Not according to the company returns registered by Ganley International and dozens of other Ganley companies. Which company was successful in actually making a profit as opposed to raising finances for / as investment?

Is a successful business man one who turns a profit ? or is a success measured in self decided high wages paid by companies not turning a profit?

Frightened Albanian wrote:

cactus flower wrote:

Wasn't there some kind of finding that Northern Bank was nothing to do with Flynn? Please be fair here. Easy to rush to assumptions on Northern Bank which a lot of people did - but a lot of parties stood to gain from excluding SF.

Isn't the verdict "persons unknown for reasons unknown"?

Flynn et al said it was Bulgarian cash. The mention of Nortern Bank was to explain who we were on about as CF did not seem to know him/

The real point is that Decos wide circle of employees and business partners give his tentacles a long reach I was wondering about Sinn Fein and Libertas as they seem uncomfortable bed fellows as you state above. Howver they have overlapping connections and objects.
It iw interesting to note that Flynn was employed by Ganley in 1999 as Liam Lawlor was in1996-7

You are so incredibly desperate to smear Ganley that you are resorting now to drawing ever increasingly wild tangents, without a shread of proof to back any of the nonsense your over fertile and somewhat paranoid imagination creates.

cookiemonster wrote:

Frightened Albanian wrote:

cactus flower wrote:

Wasn't there some kind of finding that Northern Bank was nothing to do with Flynn? Please be fair here. Easy to rush to assumptions on Northern Bank which a lot of people did - but a lot of parties stood to gain from excluding SF.

Isn't the verdict "persons unknown for reasons unknown"?

Flynn et al said it was Bulgarian cash. The mention of Nortern Bank was to explain who we were on about as CF did not seem to know him/

The real point is that Decos wide circle of employees and business partners give his tentacles a long reach I was wondering about Sinn Fein and Libertas as they seem uncomfortable bed fellows as you state above. Howver they have overlapping connections and objects.
It iw interesting to note that Flynn was employed by Ganley in 1999 as Liam Lawlor was in1996-7

You are so incredibly desperate to smear Ganley that you are resorting now to drawing ever increasingly wild tangents, without a shread of proof to back any of the nonsense your over fertile and somewhat paranoid imagination creates.

hang on Cookie Ganley announced that Flynn was his employee in 1999 when Grande Portage was bidding for IFI. It is you who is scraping the bottom of the barrel. Plus as I posted above Ganley International has never posted any significant profit despite supposedly selling a company for a reported and undenied 150mil $ these funds do not appear in their acciounts for those years.

cactus flower wrote:

cookiemonster wrote:

cactus flower wrote:

because a political party and a website selling earrings has so much in common...

Same founder and Executive Director. Hopefull same project life-span.
He has a habit of moving on.

He also has a habit of being very successful.

At what?

Business.

Chairman is not the same as employee, as far as i understand.

cookiemonster wrote:

cactus flower wrote:

cookiemonster wrote:

cactus flower wrote:

because a political party and a website selling earrings has so much in common...

Same founder and Executive Director. Hopefull same project life-span.
He has a habit of moving on.

He also has a habit of being very successful.

At what?

Business.

Which business?

Frightened Albanian wrote:

hang on Cookie Ganley announced that Flynn was his employee in 1999 when Grande Portage was bidding for IFI. It is you who is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Flynn was an employee, yes. So what?

Was he investigated or prosicuted for any wrong doing on behalf of Ganley?
No, he was not.

Was there ever any real suggestion that there may have been any wrong doing by Flynn on behalf of Ganley?
No, there was not.

Was Ganley ever investigated or prosicuted for any wrong doingm ever?
No, he was not.

Was there ever any real suggestion that there may have been any wrong doing Ganley (your vague inferences don't count)?
No, there was not.

cactus flower wrote:

cookiemonster wrote:

cactus flower wrote:

cookiemonster wrote:

cactus flower wrote:

because a political party and a website selling earrings has so much in common...

Same founder and Executive Director. Hopefull same project life-span.
He has a habit of moving on.

He also has a habit of being very successful.

At what?

Business.

Which business?

Communications.

cactus flower wrote:

Chairman is not the same as employee, as far as i understand.

Well Ganley owned the parent company it was an off the shelf shell company registered in Vancouver Canada. he also owned the Irish company so how does Phil Flynn become chairman? Buy in or employee? Cookie conforms emùployee!

Cookie is he sucessful in communications? He said he was successful in forestry yet his company never shows that great success in its books?
Why would that be ?

cookiemonster wrote:

cactus flower wrote:

cookiemonster wrote:

cactus flower wrote:

cookiemonster wrote:

cactus flower wrote:

because a political party and a website selling earrings has so much in common...

Same founder and Executive Director. Hopefull same project life-span.
He has a habit of moving on.

He also has a habit of being very successful.

At what?

Business.

Which business?

Communications.

Profit statements ever Cookie? Remember that Ganley International is the parent company how can it be so unprofitable if Ganley is so successful?

Frightened Albanian wrote:

cactus flower wrote:

Chairman is not the same as employee, as far as i understand.

Well Ganley owned the parent company it was an off the shelf shell company registered in Vancouver Canada. he also owned the Irish company so how does Phil Flynn become chairman? Buy in or employee? Cookie conforms emùployee!

Cookie is he sucessful in communications? He said he was successful in forestry yet his company never shows that great success in its books?
Why would that be ?

Why don't you tell me. Why don't you show some figures? You seem to think you know more than anybody else, you seem to thing that the nonsense you post is correct and factual, why don't you show some proof?

cookiemonster wrote:

Frightened Albanian wrote:

cactus flower wrote:

Chairman is not the same as employee, as far as i understand.

Well Ganley owned the parent company it was an off the shelf shell company registered in Vancouver Canada. he also owned the Irish company so how does Phil Flynn become chairman? Buy in or employee? Cookie conforms emùployee!

Cookie is he sucessful in communications? He said he was successful in forestry yet his company never shows that great success in its books?
Why would that be ?

Why don't you tell me. Why don't you show some figures? You seem to think you know more than anybody else, you seem to thing that the nonsense you post is correct and factual, why don't you show some proof?

Do you not believe it Cookie?


well i am looking at those accounts and they do not reveal a profit in line with Ganley's claims of sucess. That is just one aspect of what they show.

There is no need to smear Ganley it suffices to find out a little about him and contrast that with his claims. Ganley is the smear

Declan Ganley himself describes Rivada as a small firm and has always been at pains to make it clear that he is not a billionaire or anything like it.

It is mainly the Press that has created the myth of the mysterious Oligarch bit. Well the Oligarch bit anyway

Declan Ganley has an article from CNBC on his business website which
speculates that he is worth 300mil. This is the impression he likes to
promote of himself. He also has made wild claims to the press in the
past eg 1995, 1997, and it is worth pursuing as it is the -place where
his honesty or lack thereof can be really examined.

It is often the practice of certain types of businessmen to claim grand
associations and wealth in order to convince investors and others
that they are astute with cash and are always on the money. It is not
just Adornis and Capital Route that have failed to show profits. If
Gaanley International does mnot show the receipt of `150 mil in 1997
for Kipelova forestry then where did the money go? Or did it ever exist?
It is noteworthy that Gary Hunter remained involved in National Timber
the company that supposedly bought Kipelova. However Kipelova still
owns 1% of National Timber. Renaissance Capital Boris jordon are also hooked in here.

What can Cookie tell us about Ganley's Cyprus companies? What can he tell us about Glenrock Holdings?

This is all going to have to go to print media so it is put on the record.

All businessmen like to convey the impression that they will be in business tomorrow. It is not unusual. But there is a certain hand-to-mouth quality about some of the various operations that speaks of limited resouces.

There is no sign of a big investment in anything.

Frightened Albanian wrote:

Declan Ganley has an article from CNBC on his business website which
speculates that he is worth 300mil. This is the impression he likes to
promote of himself. He also has made wild claims to the press in the
past eg 1995, 1997, and it is worth pursuing as it is the -place where
his honesty or lack thereof can be really examined.

It is often the practice of certain types of businessmen to claim grand
asssociations and wealth in order to convince investors and others
that they are astute with cash and are always on the money. It is not
just Adornis and Capital Route that have failed to show profits. If
Gqanley International does mnot show the recipet of `150 mil in 1997
for Kipelova forestry then where did the money go? Or did it ever exist?
It is noteworthy that gary Hunter remained invovled in National Timber
the company that supposedly bought Kipelova. However Kipelova still
owns 1% of National Timber. Renaissance Capital Boris jordon are also hooked in here.

What can Cookie tell us about ganley's Cyprus compamies? What can he tell us about Glenrock Holdings?

This is all going to have to go to print media so it is put on the record.

Why don't you tell us all about Ganley's Cyprus Companies? Why don't you tell us all about Glenrock Holdings? Why don't you tell us what is dodgy about then and why don't you do it with refernece to fact?

Why don't you do that rather than swooping in with your illconcieved notions and weird tangental fiction that something untwoard is going in and your usual MO of asking leading questions as though there is something sinister going on?

I know. He's a divil that way.

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asking leading questions as though there is something sinister going on?

Great line Cookie

cookiemonster wrote:

Frightened Albanian wrote:

Declan Ganley has an article from CNBC on his business website which
speculates that he is worth 300mil. This is the impression he likes to
promote of himself. He also has made wild claims to the press in the
past eg 1995, 1997, and it is worth pursuing as it is the -place where
his honesty or lack thereof can be really examined.

It is often the practice of certain types of businessmen to claim grand
asssociations and wealth in order to convince investors and others
that they are astute with cash and are always on the money. It is not
just Adornis and Capital Route that have failed to show profits. If
Gqanley International does mnot show the recipet of `150 mil in 1997
for Kipelova forestry then where did the money go? Or did it ever exist?
It is noteworthy that gary Hunter remained invovled in National Timber
the company that supposedly bought Kipelova. However Kipelova still
owns 1% of National Timber. Renaissance Capital Boris jordon are also hooked in here.

What can Cookie tell us about ganley's Cyprus compamies? What can he tell us about Glenrock Holdings?

This is all going to have to go to print media so it is put on the record.

Why don't you tell us all about Ganley's Cyprus Companies? Why don't you tell us all about Glenrock Holdings? Why don't you tell us what is dodgy about then and why don't you do it with refernece to fact?

Why don't you do that rather than swooping in with your illconcieved notions and weird tangental fiction that something untwoard is going in and your usual MO of asking leading questions as though there is something sinister going on?

All in good time. Now getting back to the issue that we were not finished with; you said Ganley was a successful businessman in the communications field and I said that his Ganley International has never made any significant profit and in a year like 1997 the sale of his Russia forest seems to have returned nothing to Ganley International as the companies registered abbreviated accounts show a loss £555,871 for 1997. Yet Ganley has a press cutting on his site which suggests he made 150 mil from the sale. Ganley told the Irish Times in 1995 that he was turning over 150 mil a year. That year Ganley International made a loss of £2,211.


See above The losses grew from £31,985 in 1996 to £555,871 for 1997.

So what about Cablenet then?

Quote :

you said Ganley was a successful businessman in the communications
field and I said that his Ganley International has never made any
significant profit and in a year like 1997 the sale of his Russia
forest seems to have returned nothing to Ganley International as the
companies registered abbreviated accounts show a loss £555,871 for 1997.
Yet Ganley has a press cutting on his site which suggests he made 150
mil from the sale. Ganley told the Irish Times in 1995 that he was
turning over 150 mil a year. That year Ganley International made a loss
of £2,211.

I see your point,
According to Sam Smith the other day,
J.K. Galbraith pointed to three traits of any financial community
that he believed put it at risk of fraud. One of which, was the tendency, said he,
to confuse good tailoring with integrity and intelligence.

Ganley knows this, we have all seen at this stage the little misleading spoofs
to adjust facts to put Libertas in a favorable light.

Frightened Albanian wrote:

cookiemonster wrote:

Frightened Albanian wrote:

Declan Ganley has an article from CNBC on his business website which
speculates that he is worth 300mil. This is the impression he likes to
promote of himself. He also has made wild claims to the press in the
past eg 1995, 1997, and it is worth pursuing as it is the -place where
his honesty or lack thereof can be really examined.

It is often the practice of certain types of businessmen to claim grand
asssociations and wealth in order to convince investors and others
that they are astute with cash and are always on the money. It is not
just Adornis and Capital Route that have failed to show profits. If
Gqanley International does mnot show the recipet of `150 mil in 1997
for Kipelova forestry then where did the money go? Or did it ever exist?
It is noteworthy that gary Hunter remained invovled in National Timber
the company that supposedly bought Kipelova. However Kipelova still
owns 1% of National Timber. Renaissance Capital Boris jordon are also hooked in here.

What can Cookie tell us about ganley's Cyprus compamies? What can he tell us about Glenrock Holdings?

This is all going to have to go to print media so it is put on the record.

Why don't you tell us all about Ganley's Cyprus Companies? Why don't you tell us all about Glenrock Holdings? Why don't you tell us what is dodgy about then and why don't you do it with refernece to fact?

Why don't you do that rather than swooping in with your illconcieved notions and weird tangental fiction that something untwoard is going in and your usual MO of asking leading questions as though there is something sinister going on?

All in good time.

That's a no then?

Quote :

Now getting back to the issue that we were not finished with; you said Ganley was a successful businessman in the communications field and I said that his Ganley International has never made any significant profit

Can you privide an copy of the company accounts for us to have a look at?

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and in a year like 1997 the sale of his Russia forest seems to have returned nothing to Ganley International as the companies registered abbreviated accounts show a loss £555,871 for 1997. Yet Ganley has a press cutting on his site which suggests he made 150 mil from the sale.

Link?

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Ganley told the Irish Times in 1995 that he was turning over 150 mil a year. That year Ganley International made a loss of £2,211.

Given your very obvious inability to follow logic or rational thought I can only conclude that you're not bright enough to accurately summarize and/or understand accounts, so I won't waste my time other than to say that turnover does not equal net income. Now, any more weird and wonderful factoids you want to throw at us?

studiorat wrote:

Quote :

you said Ganley was a successful businessman in the communications
field and I said that his Ganley International has never made any
significant profit and in a year like 1997 the sale of his Russia
forest seems to have returned nothing to Ganley International as the
companies registered abbreviated accounts show a loss £555,871 for 1997.
Yet Ganley has a press cutting on his site which suggests he made 150
mil from the sale. Ganley told the Irish Times in 1995 that he was
turning over 150 mil a year. That year Ganley International made a loss
of £2,211.

I see your point,
According to Sam Smith the other day,
J.K. Galbraith pointed to three traits of any financial community
that he believed put it at risk of fraud. One of which, was the tendency, said he,
to confuse good tailoring with integrity and intelligence.

Ganley knows this, we have all seen at this stage the little misleading spoofs
to adjust facts to put Libertas in a favorable light.

I believe what you are seeing is quite the opposite. Infact "little misleading spoofs" is a very accurate description on what Frightened Albanian uses to put Libertas in a ill light.
to adjust facts to put Libertas in a favorable light.

cookiemonster wrote:

Frightened Albanian wrote:

cookiemonster wrote:

Frightened Albanian wrote:

Declan Ganley has an article from CNBC on his business website which
speculates that he is worth 300mil. This is the impression he likes to
promote of himself. He also has made wild claims to the press in the
past eg 1995, 1997, and it is worth pursuing as it is the -place where
his honesty or lack thereof can be really examined.

It is often the practice of certain types of businessmen to claim grand
asssociations and wealth in order to convince investors and others
that they are astute with cash and are always on the money. It is not
just Adornis and Capital Route that have failed to show profits. If
Gqanley International does mnot show the recipet of `150 mil in 1997
for Kipelova forestry then where did the money go? Or did it ever exist?
It is noteworthy that gary Hunter remained invovled in National Timber
the company that supposedly bought Kipelova. However Kipelova still
owns 1% of National Timber. Renaissance Capital Boris jordon are also hooked in here.

What can Cookie tell us about ganley's Cyprus compamies? What can he tell us about Glenrock Holdings?

This is all going to have to go to print media so it is put on the record.

Why don't you tell us all about Ganley's Cyprus Companies? Why don't you tell us all about Glenrock Holdings? Why don't you tell us what is dodgy about then and why don't you do it with refernece to fact?

Why don't you do that rather than swooping in with your illconcieved notions and weird tangental fiction that something untwoard is going in and your usual MO of asking leading questions as though there is something sinister going on?

All in good time.

That's a no then?

Quote :

Now getting back to the issue that we were not finished with; you said Ganley was a successful businessman in the communications field and I said that his Ganley International has never made any significant profit

Can you privide an copy of the company accounts for us to have a look at?

Quote :

and in a year like 1997 the sale of his Russia forest seems to have returned nothing to Ganley International as the companies registered abbreviated accounts show a loss £555,871 for 1997. Yet Ganley has a press cutting on his site which suggests he made 150 mil from the sale.

Link?

Quote :

Ganley told the Irish Times in 1995 that he was turning over 150 mil a year. That year Ganley International made a loss of £2,211.

Given your very obvious inability to follow logic or rational thought I can only conclude that you're not bright enough to accurately summarize and/or understand accounts, so I won't waste my time other than to say that turnover does not equal net income. Now, any more weird and wonderful factoids you want to throw at us?

Cookie you can ask Declan for the accounts

Sure but to claim 150 mil turnover in a year where company loses cash followed by more of the same except the losses go up ? . Bearing mind that he promotes the view that he made 150 mil in 1997 and in 1995 he claimed to be paying himself 1.5 mil well I don't see this all adding up Cookie

Cable Bulgaria (Later Cablenet) seems to have been a successful business in which there was some real investment - a fibre optic cable around the whole country.

This is from 2000-

Germany will provide Bulgaria with DM 30.3 million ($14.9 million) to support economic reforms, BTA reported. Bulgarian Deputy Economy Minister Hristo Mikhaylovski was in Germany on 4 April to sign a protocol on that assistance. In other news, the Irish- American company Cable Bulgaria will invest $200 million over three years in the development of a national cable television and Internet service in the Balkan country, AP reported. Cable Bulgaria is owned by Ireland's Ganley Group and Catamount Partners L.P., a U.S. investment fund controlled by the Goldman Sachs Group Inc. VG

This company was sold on after a couple of years.