Ganley and the mad mullahs

Frightened Albanian wrote:

The losses grew from £31,985 in 1996 to £555,871 for 1997.

Yes, but can you provide the figures behind that please?

They are the figures.Investments listed are not in high figures

Frightened Albanian wrote:

They are the figures.Investments listed are not in high figures

Can you post them anyway? And do you have the accounts of subsequent years?

cookiemonster wrote:

Frightened Albanian wrote:

The losses grew from £31,985 in 1996 to £555,871 for 1997.

Yes, but can you provide the figures behind that please?

You can get them in London yourself, pm me and i will give you trhe company numbers for your requests

cookiemonster wrote:

Frightened Albanian wrote:

They are the figures.Investments listed are not in high figures

Can you post them anyway? And do you have the accounts of subsequent years?

Yes but first they should be all published nicely in real media I think

cookiemonster wrote:

Frightened Albanian wrote:

The losses grew from £31,985 in 1996 to £555,871 for 1997.

Yes, but can you provide the figures behind that please?

There might, for example have been Directors' loans, or an investment in another company. Any number of things could explain that.

Frightened Albanian wrote:

cookiemonster wrote:

Frightened Albanian wrote:

The losses grew from £31,985 in 1996 to £555,871 for 1997.

Yes, but can you provide the figures behind that please?

You can get them in London yourself, pm me and i will give you trhe company numbers for your requests

You can't provide them here?

cactus flower wrote:

cookiemonster wrote:

Frightened Albanian wrote:

The losses grew from £31,985 in 1996 to £555,871 for 1997.

Yes, but can you provide the figures behind that please?

There might, for example have been Directors' loans, or an investment in another company. Any number of things could explain that.

Ganley made loans that is correct, however he could hardly have mloaned them so much that recieving 100 lmil wouldn't piush the company towards a profit

cookiemonster wrote:

Frightened Albanian wrote:

cookiemonster wrote:

Frightened Albanian wrote:

The losses grew from £31,985 in 1996 to £555,871 for 1997.

Yes, but can you provide the figures behind that please?

You can get them in London yourself, pm me and i will give you trhe company numbers for your requests

You can't provide them here?

Since you complained about me PMing you I want you to grovel

Frightened Albanian wrote:

cookiemonster wrote:

Frightened Albanian wrote:

They are the figures.Investments listed are not in high figures

Can you post them anyway? And do you have the accounts of subsequent years?

Yes but first they should be all published nicely in real media I think

I've given you this before but incase you missed it:

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Also, given your commentary on the accounts, it would be prudent for one to ask, are you an accountant?

Frightened Albanian wrote:

Since you complained about me PMing you I want you to grovel

Well that's not going to happen.

Thank you again Cookie

Frightened Albanian wrote:

cactus flower wrote:

cookiemonster wrote:

Frightened Albanian wrote:

The losses grew from £31,985 in 1996 to £555,871 for 1997.

Yes, but can you provide the figures behind that please?

There might, for example have been Directors' loans, or an investment in another company. Any number of things could explain that.

Ganley made loans that is correct, however he could hardly have mloaned them so much that recieving 100 lmil wouldn't piush the company towards a profit

Bulgaria? However, I take the general point. But there were numerous different companies, not just the one.

cookiemonster wrote:

Frightened Albanian wrote:

Since you complained about me PMing you I want you to grovel

Well that's not going to happen.

I dont know I think that you are obversely attracted to my threads and my posts in general.

Maybe Bugaria, but with 150 mil claimed turnover with Kipelovo and a sale of an undenied 100mil plus the potential leverage or cash from the £220 000 O00 from Anglo Adriatic ..................
How much did Cablenet cost and have we seen that Ganley would use his own cash in such deals? his modus orerandi seems to be big talk not big inversment. He is an OPM guy

cactus flower wrote:

Frightened Albanian wrote:

cactus flower wrote:

cookiemonster wrote:

Frightened Albanian wrote:

The losses grew from £31,985 in 1996 to £555,871 for 1997.

Yes, but can you provide the figures behind that please?

There might, for example have been Directors' loans, or an investment in another company. Any number of things could explain that.

Ganley made loans that is correct, however he could hardly have mloaned them so much that recieving 100 lmil wouldn't piush the company towards a profit

Bulgaria? However, I take the general point. But there were numerous different companies, not just the one.

Yes indeed there are a mind boggling number of companies all involving the same folks, Gary Hunter features in several and the wife.

Frightened Albanian wrote:

cookiemonster wrote:

Frightened Albanian wrote:

Since you complained about me PMing you I want you to grovel

Well that's not going to happen.

I dont know I think that you are obversely attracted to my threads and my posts in general.

Such a claim might have more substance were your posts and thread on any other subject than Declan Ganley and Libertas and indeed were they to any other end than to smear both with spurious claims made up of half-truths and factoids.

Come on Cookie he makes wild claims and calls for accountablity, he is head of a pan European political party therefore his claims about himself and his lack of transparency and shadowy past are important to examine , in the public interest. Just because the facts seem to be at odds with the claims Ganley made in the press make them very relevant. His claims on Lirbertas.eu about Anglo Adriatic don't stack up as we have discussed before.

Grasshopper you must learn the way of the Shaolin

Frightened Albanian wrote:

Come on Cookie he makes wild claims and calls for accountablity, he is head of a pan European political party therefore his claims about himself and his lack of transparency and shadowy past are important to examine , in the public interest. Just because the facts seem to be at odds with the claims Ganley made in the press make them very relevant. His claims on Lirbertas.eu about Anglo Adriatic don't stack up as we have discussed before.

Grasshopper you must learn the way of the Shaolin

As somebody who is very critical of Declan Ganley it seems odd that so many of your claims don't stand up to much themselves and indeed you seem incredibly reluctant to cite your sources show most recently in your unwillingness to show the accounts you are aparently quoting from. You ask many questions, few of which are based on any fact.
We have indeed discussed Anglo Adriatic before and it is a prime example of your questions having little relationaship with reality.

Lads, if there is going to be a row, I'll lock the thread until the morning. Is there going to be a row ? Thought not.

cookiemonster wrote:

Frightened Albanian wrote:

Come on Cookie he makes wild claims and calls for accountablity, he is head of a pan European political party therefore his claims about himself and his lack of transparency and shadowy past are important to examine , in the public interest. Just because the facts seem to be at odds with the claims Ganley made in the press make them very relevant. His claims on Lirbertas.eu about Anglo Adriatic don't stack up as we have discussed before.

Grasshopper you must learn the way of the Shaolin

As somebody who is very critical of Declan Ganley it seems odd that so many of your claims don't stand up to much themselves and indeed you seem incredibly reluctant to cite your sources show most recently in your unwillingness to show the accounts you are aparently quoting from. You ask many questions, few of which are based on any fact.
We have indeed discussed Anglo Adriatic before and it is a prime example of your questions having little relationaship with reality.

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I have cited my sources the registered returns of Ganley International. Other media sources I either link to or cite. Anglo Adriatic is a prime example of where your defence of Ganley failed miserably. You claimed that staff were airlifed by parines but we know from the Observer that he flew in atr the height of the trouble and where he held a meeting with "Albanian Chancer". He claimed two months later to have 40,000 fioriegn investors. They must have invested cash and his story makes no reference to it or them. In 1998 he was claiming to be trying to both be in the gas business in Albania and tobe negotiating buying state companies with AAIF funds and vouchers.

Frightened Albanian wrote:

I have cited my sources the registered returns of Ganley International.

But you won't publish them here.

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Other media sources I either link to or cite.

and selectively quote from or willfully misrepresent and misunderstand.

[quote]Anglo Adriatic is a prime example of where your defence of Ganley failed miserably. You claimed that staff were airlifed by parines but we know from the Observer that he flew in atr the height of the trouble and where he held a meeting with "Albanian Chancer". [quote]
"Staff" does not equal Declan Ganley.

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He claimed two months later to have 40,000 fioriegn investors. They must have invested cash and his story makes no reference to it or them.

And you tried to make the suggestion, through leading questions, that there was some issue of impropriety relating to these foreign investors, but were unable to provide anything which suggested this was the case.
Much like Anticoalition did with regard to EU funding of the Libertas Lisbon campaign. It smacks of desparation.

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In 1998 he was claiming to be trying to both be in the gas business in Albania and tobe negotiating buying state companies with AAIF funds and vouchers.

So?

In fact I am not claiming anything about the foreign investors Ganley claimed to have. The fact that he said they existed in 1995 and he said on Primetime that all the investments were in privatisation vouchers and the reason no one had been paid out is because these vouchers atre in a bank in Tirana and the goivernment wont let them be invested. However that story does not make any ref to the foriegn investors, 1/ what did they invest 2/ If it was cash where is it and 3/ If they exuisted and tehre was cash the story about all the investments being in a bank in Tirana in privatisation vouchers sounds strange and he has not told the full story. .

ps Grasshopper bed now

Frightened Albanian wrote:

In fact I am not claiming anything about the foreign investors Ganley claimed to have.

You were trying to suggest through leading questions that there was some impropriety relating to foreign investor's funds, despite being unable to provide any source of such a suggestion.

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The fact that he said they existed in 1995 and he said on Primetime that all the investments were in privatisation vouchers and the reason no one had been paid out is because these vouchers atre in a bank in Tirana and the goivernment wont let them be invested.

This was in relation to the Albanians who invested their vouchers in Anglo Adriatic. In Albania Albanians would not be considered "foreign investors". The vouchers are still in the vaults in Albania. This was explained to you before.

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However that story does not make any ref to the foriegn investors, 1/ what did they invest 2/ If it was cash where is it and 3/ If they exuisted and tehre was cash the story about all the investments being in a bank in Tirana in privatisation vouchers sounds strange and he has not told the full story.

1. Cash
2. Back in their pockets I would imagine as the fund was not allowed to invest in Albania. There has been no suggestion that these funds, indeed any of Anglo Adriatics funds have gone missing.
3. I can't understand what you are saying here.

There is no way that Cookiemonster could possibly be expected to answer detailed accounting questions about the very large number of companies and other complex financial initiatives undertaken by Declan Ganley across multiple States.
The fact that Declan Ganley may have repeatedly buffed up his CV people can make of what they will - some say it is not uncommon, others that it is unusual: everyone makes up their own minds.

It is clear that he has been involved in some tough parts of the world from Iraq and Albania to Bulgaria (where he says he had to dislodge the pirate cable operators in order to establish a national network) and Lousiiana. Some peoplle find his style of doing business admirable and others despicable - it is down to opinion.

What I would be interested to know now is who are the Polish partners and who are the Directors of the various Libertas Companies.