The Privatisation of Irish Politics

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cactus flower wrote:: A great little thread on the Shamrock Rovers Forum: these guys know their EU and their Ganley

www.srfcultrasforum.com/forum/showthread.php%3Fp%3D134536+Ganley+Madrid+2009&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=ie" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:7dnYtqYzKTQJ:www.srfcultrasforum.com/forum/showthread.php%3Fp%3D134536+Ganley+Madrid+2009&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=ie

I've seen nothing on that site that shows either of the above being true.

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cookiemonster wrote:

cactus flower wrote:: A great little thread on the Shamrock Rovers Forum: these guys know their EU and their Ganley

www.srfcultrasforum.com/forum/showthread.php%3Fp%3D134536+Ganley+Madrid+2009&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=ie" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:7dnYtqYzKTQJ:www.srfcultrasforum.com/forum/showthread.php%3Fp%3D134536+Ganley+Madrid+2009&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=ie

I've seen nothing on that site that shows either of the above being true.

Well, their Shamrock Rovers then.

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cactus flower wrote:

cookiemonster wrote:

cactus flower wrote:: A great little thread on the Shamrock Rovers Forum: these guys know their EU and their Ganley

www.srfcultrasforum.com/forum/showthread.php%3Fp%3D134536+Ganley+Madrid+2009&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=ie" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:7dnYtqYzKTQJ:www.srfcultrasforum.com/forum/showthread.php%3Fp%3D134536+Ganley+Madrid+2009&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=ie

I've seen nothing on that site that shows either of the above being true.

Well, their Shamrock Rovers then.

anyway, the google search you should have been doing is this one...

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If Ganley was in any way open about the groups he is affiliating with, either with the public or with supporters like yourself, I would have missed the pleasure of enrolling in the Shamrock Rovers Forum.

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cactus flower wrote:: If Ganley was in any way open about the groups he is affiliating with

Nonsense. He's said numerous times that's not a bloody neo-con and has no links with them, he has had to do so because of baseless accusations started by Cohen-Bendit and pals who have their own political agenda, but it doesn't stop the numptie brigade deluding themselves that it's true.

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cactus flower wrote:: If Ganley was in any way open about the groups he is affiliating with

Nonsense. He's said numerous times that's not a bloody neo-con and has no links with them, he has had to do so because of baseless accusations started by Cohen-Bendit and pals who have their own political agenda, but it doesn't stop the numptie brigade deluding themselves that it's true.

What's nonsense? This thread is about Libertas as an "instant" political party of corporate structure, and its subsidiaries. Ganley has announced that Libertas was going to run candidates in the EPs right across the EU. There is some indication that this is being much scaled down. I would like to see them run in Albania, but otherwise, would not be disappointed if this was true. There are plenty of right wing anti Lisbon parties out there already, without adding another one.

Ganley so far as I know has refused to say which parties he discussed this with in Poland and the Czech Republic and the UK are also unannounced. A bit of googling in both cases provided some answers, and they were interesting ones. Polish news media said that he met with their violent far right, and in the Czech Republic someone with a criminal record has registered Libertas "with the knowledge" of Libertas, whatever that means. Ganley as far as I know has not clarified if he is anything to do with Libertas UK.

In what sense is Ganley not a neo con?

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cactus flower wrote:

cookiemonster wrote:

cactus flower wrote:: If Ganley was in any way open about the groups he is affiliating with

Nonsense. He's said numerous times that's not a bloody neo-con and has no links with them, he has had to do so because of baseless accusations started by Cohen-Bendit and pals who have their own political agenda, but it doesn't stop the numptie brigade deluding themselves that it's true.

What's nonsense?

The idea that being "open" makes any difference to the hoard of weirdos who believe the crap about Ganley being a neo-con, proto-fascist, arms dealer, nazi and so on...

Quote :: This thread is about Libertas as an "instant" political party of corporate structure, and its subsidiaries. Ganley has announced that Libertas was going to run candidates in the EPs right across the EU.

I thought it was about the privatisation of Irish politics, but it's not. It's about having a go at Ganley and Libertas so lets no delude ourselves.

Quote :: There is some indication that this is being much scaled down.

In your dreams perhaps.

Quote :: I would like to see them run in Albania

Albanian isn't in the EU.

Quote :: There are plenty of right wing anti Lisbon parties out there already, without adding another one.

Indeed there are, just as well Libertas isn't one of them.

Ganley so far as I know has refused to say which parties he discussed this with in Poland and the Czech Republic and the UK are also unannounced. A bit of googling in both cases provided some answers, and they were interesting ones. Polish news media said that he met with their violent far right, and in the Czech Republic someone with a criminal record has registered Libertas "with the knowledge" of Libertas, whatever that means. Ganley as far as I know has not clarified if he is anything to do with Libertas UK.

In what sense is Ganley not a neo con?[/quote]

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Quote :: There are plenty of right wing anti Lisbon parties out there already, without adding another one.

Indeed there are, just as well Libertas isn't one of them.

In favour of economic deregulation, anti-Islamic, anti-Trade Union, in talks with the UKIP, the Tories, the MPLF, and various far right Polish groups...Klaus, in the Czech Republic..

How exactly do you define right-wing?

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Quote :: There are plenty of right wing anti Lisbon parties out there already, without adding another one.

Indeed there are, just as well Libertas isn't one of them.

In favour of economic deregulation, anti-Islamic, anti-Trade Union, in talks with the UKIP, the Tories, the MPLF, and various far right Polish groups...Klaus, in the Czech Republic..

How exactly do you define right-wing?

You seem to have got it all wrong, Libertas isn't right-wing, it's secret right-wing. They just don't like telling people incase they might give support... or someting, which Libertas clearly wouldn't want at all, like.

as to how I would define right -wing, well a party whoes policy promotes a right-wing point of view of course. What exactly "right-wing" is is often down to one's political perspectives though.

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Quote :: The idea that being "open" makes any difference to the hoard of weirdos who believe the crap about Ganley being a neo-con, proto-fascist, arms dealer, nazi and so on...

Ordinary decent people concerned about all that.

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In simple terms, right-wing to me hinges largely on laissez faire economics, which is really what Ganley and the rest of the post-communist privateers are peddling, in an almost fundamentalist fashion. They want business to run government, not the other way around, and of course it will entail business with their business partners, once they have their stooge candidates in office.

I think the depth of Ganley's opposition to Lisbon is rooted in wanting freedom from more EU Government regulation of business. But he is hedging his bets, and wants to be in a favourable position to conduct his own business once the inevitable passage of the Lisbon Treaty takes place, and new contracts are written. It's all about Government contracts and State licenses, at the end of the day.

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Anticoalition wrote:: In simple terms, right-wing to me hinges largely on laisse faire economics, which is really what Ganley and the rest of the post-communist privateers are peddling, in an almost fundamentalist fashion. They want business to run government, not the other way around, and of course it will entail business with their business partners, once they have their stooge candidates in office.

I think the depth of Ganley's opposition to Lisbon is rooted in wanting freedom from more EU Government regulation of business. But he is hedging his bets, and wants to be in a favourable position to conduct his own business once the inevitable passage of the Lisbon Treaty takes place, and new contracts are written. It's all about Government contracts and State licenses, at the end of the day.

With the nationalisation of Anglo this week among other things earlier, I wonder how much what is happening isn't happening in reverse of what we think is happening.... i.e. some of these men are getting their arses covered by the taxpayer, and asking for it.

In that sense they are running a part of our country, beyond our will. I think the piece in bold is already happening publicly - who knows how long it was happening for years under the carpets.

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Michael Hudson, US economist, says the Merrill Lynch bosses signed themselves 13 million in bonuses the week before their "life line" merger with the Bank of America: 35,000 BoA staff are to be sacked. Neary, Fitzpatrick, Rody from FAS, all have "retired" with fat payouts and fat pensions.

How much has Fianna Fail just turned the national economy into a slush fund for fat cats.

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The Privatisation of Irish Politics - Page 17 Fatcat10

Interesting fat cat demo at Dept of Finance last year...

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Anticoalition wrote:: I think the depth of Ganley's opposition to Lisbon is rooted in wanting freedom from more EU Government regulation of business. But he is hedging his bets, and wants to be in a favourable position to conduct his own business once the inevitable passage of the Lisbon Treaty takes place, and new contracts are written. It's all about Government contracts and State licenses, at the end of the day.

These contracts look likely to come from the US if we look at Obama's statements this week:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/president-obama-delivers-your-weekly-address/

"Finally, we will rebuild and retrofit America to meet the demands of the 21st century. ........... It means protecting America by securing 90 major ports and creating a better communications network for local law enforcement and public safety officials in the event of an emergency. "

Good news for some, eh?

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Quote :: right wing
–noun 1. members of a conservative or reactionary political party, or those opposing extensive political reform.
2. such a political party or a group of such parties.
3. that part of a political or social organization advocating a conservative or reactionary position: The union's right wing favored a moderate course of action.

Quote :: left wing
–noun 1. members of a liberal or radical political party, or those favoring extensive political reform.
2. such a party or a group of such parties.
3. the part of a political or social organization advocating a liberal or radical position.

http://dictionary.reference.com/

Quote :: In politics, right-wing, the political right and the Right are terms applied to a variety of conservative and reactionary political positions. The term has had different meanings in different countries and time periods. Originally, during the French Revolution, right-wing referred to seating arrangements in parliament; those who sat on the right supported the monarchy and aristocratic privilege. Today, it is used to describe political groups who stress the importance of nationalism, tradition, and religion, and who oppose socialism, communism, and internationalism. Some people use the phrase to indicate support for laissez faire capitalism.

Quote :: In politics, left-wing, leftist, and the Left are terms applied to political positions associated with progressive and/or socialist causes. Originally, during the French Revolution, left-wing referred to seating arrangements in parliament; those who sat on the left opposed the monarchy and supported radical reform. The organizers of the First International considered themselves the successors of the left wing of the French Revolution, and the term left-wing has been used to describe the successors of the First International. The term has become associated with socialism, communism, anarchism and social liberalism. In the United States, the Left sometimes refers to modern liberalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_politics

It's important to note that both descriptions use political and historical definitions and discriptions which themselves are often contradictory to the absolute definition of a given political stance. Both are very wide definitions and don't dictate each and every value held by one who identified with one wing or the other. They are also transient discriptions meaning one thing to somebody and something entirely different to somebody else.

Personally I think they're both, for the most part, useless in describing one's political values save for the most broad generalisations.

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Speaking of Wikipedia. There's an excellent resource on Declan Ganley at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declan_Ganley

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"Increasingly, and especially in economics, the laissez-faire views that once defined the Left came to be characterized as a rightist position."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-right_politics

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Ganley does know how to pick them his pal in Colorado is Republican Rep. Doug Lamborn .Ganley Rivada and Lamborn
Lanmborn is so far out that fellow extreme Republicans call his politics sleazy.

Quote :: http://coloradoindependent.com/4726/doug-lamborn-after-months-of-silence-emerges-victorious

http://coloradoindependent.com/4726/doug-lamborn-after-months-of-silence-emerges-victorious

Quote :: All possess the same worldview — supporting the war in Iraq and against
“Islamofascism”; and, on the domestic front, eliminating things like
the Department of Education and privatizing Social Security and
de-funding the National Endowment for the Arts and man-woman only
marriage.

He is not too happy with Obama

Congressman Lamborn Statement on Executive Order to Close Guantanamo Bay

http://lamborn.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=109366
Lamborn Statement on President Obama’s Promotion of Overseas Abortions

http://lamborn.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=109351

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Anticoalition wrote:: "Increasingly, and especially in economics, the laissez-faire views that once defined the Left came to be characterized as a rightist position."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-right_politics

In the 18th century, capitalism was itself a progressive force that was doing away with feudal social relations and "unchaining" people from the land. As the productive capacities of the world were developed and outgrew the market mechanisms of capitalism, it came to be seen by radicals/the left as a contraint on human development. So it wasn't so much the views that changed as historic circumstances.

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Ex-Europol bigwig to run for Libertas in Brussels vote - Sunday Times

- Kevin O’Connell, an ex-deputy director of the law-enforcement agency, is to stand in Britain in June’s European elections

Quote :: A former deputy director of Europol and one-time London police commander in charge of protecting the British royal family wants to run for Libertas in June’s European elections. Kevin O’Connell, who spent four years as one of three deputy directors of the
EU law enforcement agency, has put his name forward for selection by the group. Now a security consultant based in Kent, O’Connell is the first person to indicate a willingness to run for Libertas in Britain.

He was employed by Declan Ganley’s group last year as a “security advisor”. His roles included “vetting staff and potential candidates” as well as monitoring press coverage. Ganley asked him to review the “conspiracy theories” surrounding his American business contracts and the funding of his campaign against the Lisbon treaty in Ireland last year.

O’Connell says his review has concluded Ganley “has been the subject of a sustained and co-ordinated information campaign intended to destroy his political credibility”. He said: “I looked into the matter and was concerned at what I found and decided that if Libertas would have me as a candidate, I would run...

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Anticoalition wrote:: - Kevin O’Connell, an ex-deputy director of the law-enforcement agency, is to stand in Britain in June’s European elections

Does anyone here know who the other Directors of the Libertas firms are?

And what is the name of the party he is going to stand for?

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Anticoalition wrote:: - Kevin O’Connell, an ex-deputy director of the law-enforcement agency, is to stand in Britain in June’s European elections

Do you have a link for that Anticoalition?

Is he still an employee of one of Declan Ganley's firms?

Does anyone here know who the other Directors of the Libertas firms are?

There's a funny thread on this on p.ie, entitled 'To prove they are not backed by securocrats libertas to run ex-Europol deputy'

So, let me get this straight. We now have a private political party, with a private election platform, hiring a former public official, turned private security consultant, to run in a privately funded election campaign for public office?

I wonder how much it costs to hire Big Brother himself?

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Quote :: Re: Libertas: A Pan European Project?

by Frightened Albanian Yesterday at 7:43 pmhttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article5581659.ece

Libertas have a candidate
Richard Oakley

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A former deputy director of Europol and one-time London police commander in
charge of protecting the British royal family wants to run for Libertas in
June’s European elections.
Kevin O’Connell, who spent four years as one of three deputy directors of the
EU law enforcement agency, has put his name forward for selection by the
group. Now a security consultant based in Kent, O’Connell is the first
person to indicate a willingness to run for Libertas in Britain.
He was employed by Declan Ganley’s group last year as a “security advisor”.
His roles included “vetting staff and potential candidates” as well as
monitoring press coverage. Ganley asked him to review the “conspiracy
theories” surrounding his American business contracts and the funding of his
campaign against the Lisbon treaty in Ireland last year.
O’Connell says his review has concluded Ganley “has been the subject of a
sustained and co-ordinated information campaign intended to destroy his
political credibility”. He said: “I looked into the matter and was concerned
at what I found and decided that if Libertas would have me as a candidate, I
would run.

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