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PostSubject: Re: The Privatisation of Irish Politics   Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:55 am


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cactus flower wrote:
FA is trying to reclaim this thread for its intended purposes. In the morning I will split a couple of lumps of off topic posts into new threads, unless anyone strongly objects. Mod CF

And we can get back to bashing Ganley, goodie!

You know you love it Wink

I'm sure Ganley, his family, his friends and his business associates love it just as much as I do.
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PostSubject: Re: The Privatisation of Irish Politics   Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:56 am

cookiemonster wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
cookiemonster wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
FA is trying to reclaim this thread for its intended purposes. In the morning I will split a couple of lumps of off topic posts into new threads, unless anyone strongly objects. Mod CF

And we can get back to bashing Ganley, goodie!

You know you love it Wink

I'm sure Ganley, his family, his friends and his business associates love it just as much as I do.

Don't hit me, I'm holding a puppy?
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PostSubject: Re: The Privatisation of Irish Politics   Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:11 pm

This is an interesting example of the deregulatory and pro-capital attitudes of the core Libertas members:

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Businessman Ulick McEvaddy has described the ten members of the so called Golden Circle as heroes.
He insisted the ten individuals 'hadn't done anything wrong' and had no reason to conceal their identities.
Speaking on Today with Pat Kenny, Mr McEvaddy said if he would have joined the group had he been approached as it was the right thing to do.

He dismissed the controversy surrounding the incident as 'misplaced uproar' and said Anglo Irish was an 'iconic' bank, which helped stimulate the Irish economy and create the Celtic Tiger.

The Government said it is examining ways of making public the names of individuals, who have come to be known as the 'Golden Circle' or the 'Maple 10'.

Listen to Ullick here -

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0220/banks.html

I don't doubt that the ten people concerned felt they were doing the right thing.
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PostSubject: Re: The Privatisation of Irish Politics   Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:32 pm

cactus flower wrote:
This is an interesting example of the deregulatory and pro-capital attitudes of the core Libertas members:

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Businessman Ulick McEvaddy has described the ten members of the so called Golden Circle as heroes.
He insisted the ten individuals 'hadn't done anything wrong' and had no reason to conceal their identities.
Speaking on Today with Pat Kenny, Mr McEvaddy said if he would have joined the group had he been approached as it was the right thing to do.

He dismissed the controversy surrounding the incident as 'misplaced uproar' and said Anglo Irish was an 'iconic' bank, which helped stimulate the Irish economy and create the Celtic Tiger.

The Government said it is examining ways of making public the names of individuals, who have come to be known as the 'Golden Circle' or the 'Maple 10'.

Listen to Ullick here -

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0220/banks.html

I don't doubt that the ten people concerned felt they were doing the right thing.
Is he a member?
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PostSubject: Re: The Privatisation of Irish Politics   Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:37 pm

toxic avenger wrote:
Is he a member?

Ulick McEvaddy joins No to Lisbon Campaign

Sunday, 20 April 2008 01:00


Declan Ganley and Ulick McEvaddy chat in front of the Libertas Campaign Bus

Ulick McEvaddy has spoken of his "Very difficult" decision to call for a "No" vote in the Lisbon Treaty referendum at a Press Conference in Dublin this afternoon.

Mr. McEvaddy was joined by Libertas Chairman Declan Ganley in Dublin's Merrion Hotel, where he had called reporters to tell them about his decision.

http://libertas.eu/ireland/112-ulick-mcevaddy-joins-no-to-lisbon-campaign-?83bb3bd4682129c02c1b533ffb5bf95d=d2fa4a63f4ef966cb5308c4456ab4b85
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PostSubject: Re: The Privatisation of Irish Politics   Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:40 pm

No, I knew he was a supporter of the Libertas 'no' campaign, I just didn't think he was a member or spokesman for Libertas...
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PostSubject: Re: The Privatisation of Irish Politics   Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:42 pm

Well what constitutes a member? So far as we are aware there is no membership structure within Libertas. He was reported to be a significant financier and supporter of the only campaign they have ever run, as well as speaking in the media in respect of that at the time, so that is about as much a member as one can hope to be.

The only way to get involved according to their website is to join their facebook and twitter groups or make a donation, sign up to a mailing list or make contact with a local group which when you click the links for only bring you to news stories rather than actually getting you in touch with anyone. I don't think we can think of membership in a conventional sense here. But then again they don't seek to be a conventional party... but they're going to let us know in March what they seek to be... apparently...
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PostSubject: Re: The Privatisation of Irish Politics   Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:25 pm

Why do so many posters on political web sites think that if someone disagrees with them and their opinions, that that someone must be being paid to do so?
Is there an arrogance there or is it just a complete inability to understand that there are usually two sides to a coin.
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PostSubject: Re: The Privatisation of Irish Politics   Sat Feb 21, 2009 11:02 pm

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I have noted Toxic posting links to peoplekorps on other boards Very Happy

One link, once, on there being an agreement at the adjournment of the court case. Nothing controversial or involving an opinion. It's my ability to distinguish an established fact from a groundless opinion that helps, you see...
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PostSubject: Re: The Privatisation of Irish Politics   Mon Feb 23, 2009 11:09 pm

Mod: Approximately 12 posts deleted here as they were off-topic, and in many cases ad hominem.
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PostSubject: Re: The Privatisation of Irish Politics   Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:36 pm

I've posted this here and on the Libertas - Pan European Party - thread, as it is relevant to both themes.

I didn't think I was capable of being shocked by anything I heard about Libertas, but I must admit to being shocked at this report in the Irish Times. It appears, and I see no reason to disbelieve the report, that Libertas has attempted to "buy" a Swedish Eurosceptic Party for a sum in the region of €1 million euros.

The comment of the Swedish source was very similar to the recent statement of the Czech President, that Ganley does not understand the difference between politics and business.


Libertas in fresh controversy over bid to recruit Swedish group
MARY FITZGERALD, Foreign Affairs CorrespondentQuote:
Libertas embroiled in fresh controversy yesterday following its attempts to persuade a Swedish Eurosceptic party to merge with the organisation in Sweden.

Sören Wibe, leader of Junilistan (The June List), claims that representatives from anti-Lisbon Treaty party Libertas offered considerable sums of money, including almost €1 million on one occasion, if his party agreed to change its name to Junilistan-Libertas.

After the story appeared in the Swedish media earlier this week, Anita Kelly, a spokeswoman for Libertas, told Sweden’s state-funded radio station P1 that no such offer had been made. “We did not make any offer to any party to run with Libertas or anything like that. We have discussed budgets as we would with anyone, but money was not offered,” she said.

Libertas was registered as a political party by the Swedish Election Authority on Tuesday after the organisation gathered the 1,500 signatures required for registration.

Mr Wibe, whose party was formed the year after Swedish voters rejected the adoption of the euro in a 2003 referendum, told The Irish Times he had met with Libertas founder Declan Ganley in Sweden in January. The offers of financial assistance had come from Libertas representatives of Scandinavian origin on other occasions, and not from Mr Ganley, he added.

“One of my colleagues was offered 10 million kronor [about €900,000] for the party and, in other discussions, it was clear that sums of that size were available,” Mr Wibe said.
“I have at least a dozen witnesses who can verify that these approaches were made.”

Junilistan garnered 14 per cent of the vote in Sweden’s 2004 European elections and won three seats in the European Parliament out of the country’s allocation of 19. The party is a member of the Independence and Democracy grouping in Brussels.

Libertas intends to run candidates in all 27 member states in the European Parliament elections in June in an attempt to transform the ballot into a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.

Mr Wibe said he was shocked by the nature of Libertas’s overtures to his party. “I believe [Libertas’s] behaviour was extremely unethical,” he said yesterday. “I was insulted. It would be extremely unethical for our party to be funded by a millionaire from another country. It goes against everything we stand for.”

Of Mr Ganley, he said: “I do believe that he means well, but I also believe he is not a politician. He doesn’t understand that doing politics is not the same as doing business.”

In a statement posted on its website, Junilistan said: “Politics is not money. Politics is credibility and being true to the message you deliver to your voters.”

Libertas did not return calls yesterday for comment.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2009/0305/1224242305498.html http://www.junilistan.se/

I would question who the Swedish "Libertas Representatives" who are able to make these offers are, given that the Party as yet has no membership.

Are similar things going on in other European countries ? Were any of the Libertas signatories of the application for European funding offered money for their names?

The Swedish Eurosceptic Party has policies very different from Ganley's pro Europe stance. Were they supposed to change their policies in exchange for money ?

What utter contempt for democracy this attempt at "Party buying" shows.
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