The Charter for feedback - Mulling over by Irish speakers

This thread is for the perusal of irish speakers and particularly the portion at the end regarding posting bilingually in forums and threads. Please have a look at it and let us know what you think.

Cactus you may edit this thread heading as you wish to make it more communicative...

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Message to New Members

You are welcome and will abide by the Charter lest ye be flung into the outer darkness. The Charter being in essence 'Love your neighbour's Machinery as you do your own and have patience that the person with whom you are communicating still has a lower grade mobile phone than you.'
Enjoy your stay here - there is plenty to do and to be done so if you feel like rolling up your sleeves then you are welcome but if you want to relax then there are all sorts of places and bars here to do your R&R in.

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A suggestion for your/general opinion
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Enjoy posting !

Well, have been all around the garden discussing different good ideas for Irish - English use on this site, and back again.
There is a feeling from many on the site that both languages should be used and intermingled but there is a minority that needs to be respected who have reservations about feeling cut out due to lack of Irish or another language.

Perhaps we have reached a point where much more discussion would not be fruitful (we may never reach 100% perfect agreement) and we need to agree something that will be O.K. to try out for a while. Then maybe after a month or so we will adjust if things need adjustment?

You have been invited to this session because it is important to MN that Irish speakers can post in the language of their choice at all times and that that is only limited if absolutely necessary for legal reasons of the good of the site members. Your views are eagerly requested.

The main results we are looking for IMHO are

1 that we don't get MN sued - so whatever languages we use have to be modded, and
2 that everyone feels comfortable using the site.

Other questions for Irish speakers on the site are - who should do Irish modding ( on Irish and mixed threads ) and who would be willing to be a translator, if pmd by a member who wants to understand an Irish post?

Hi, first and foremost, thanks for including me in the group, it's good that we're discussing this issue as it seems like it isn't resolve to everyone's content... i don't think it will be either so maybe a trial basis as CF suggested is appropriate for whatever we choose.

I'd be more partial to the previous 'All threads in Machine Nation are deemed bilingual unless
the person starting the thread indicates in the title line that the
thread is English, Irish or any other language only' line as appropriate for the charter... in my it's my honest opinion that it's not a change in language that would throw off a thread but rather someone posting something irrelevant to the issue in either language.

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1 that we don't get MN sued - so whatever languages we use have to be modded, and

I think there's enough Irish speakers here to spot something suspect fairly quickly, and our loyalty is to Machine Nation, not to a troll... even if they are using God's language But ya, I don't think there's a problem that way... I'd certainly say it to a mod if i saw something and i'm sure the others would.

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2 that everyone feels comfortable using the site.

That's a trickier one I suppose... I do realise, as has been mentioned, that some people might feel uncomfortable with Irish in a thread that has hitherto been as Béarla, but all I can speak from is my own perspective... and that is that most people seem happy to see the Irish anyway, even if they don't understand it.. and that if I saw a post in German on a thread it wouldn't make me feel uncomfortable... I'd see if I could make out the gist (I have absolutely no German by the way) and if I couldn't I'd move onto the next post... there's no harm in language changing within a thread in my opinion but I know others mightn't share that view so I'm eager to see how this discussion ends up.

Auditor, I can see why you've proposed the method you have of keeping a thread in the language that the first post is in, but I think I'd take the view of either language in a thread being suitable.. it'd be interesting to discuss but I think by restricting threads to their first post's language, Irish wont be as prevalent around the site as most threads are started in english and threads restricted to irish only will get significantly less views and hinder posters from contributing to the thread in question. I think it'd decrease Irish language input into the site (not a threat by the way ) and so I wouldn't be in favour of it... coupled with this, I think if we took a poll of whether people would be thrown off if the thread suddenly had an irish post (which could have english as the next post of course) then it'd be a very small minority who said that they would be (i have one particular poster in mind... but i wont turn this into a childish session ).

I don't think there's any harm in using different languages in one thread (and for arguments sake we could include German in this, as some posters have this and I don't). People can skip over posts, ask what they mean etc. it adds colour and something different and nice to the site I think anyway. When I consider that, with the problems I think will come about if the default language=first post suggestion is implimented as i said above, then I don't see any reason for a different requirement than that we're allowed use whatever language, provided we submit a translation if requested.

Those are my views but I'm well aware that others might see it differently so I'm eager to watch how this thread develops.

Oh, and cactus - you can put me down as a 'translator' if you wish.

Thanks Buachaillbeo. I have had a slightly dotty notion, since this started and as a result of Audi's colour coding, that someone who wants English only or Irish only spoken to them could be colour coded - if you look at the member's list you would see what I mean - purple cld. be english say, orange oops green could be Irish and so on.
What do you think? would everyone forget and get confused?

Yes, I think people would forget and be confused. If posters are happy to translate key phrases as they go, it should be an opportunity for everyone to enjoy any language. I'm glad to learn a bit of Irish and teach a bit of German. If Audi would splash out on some Spanish I'd happily pick that up too. There are times when I don't get all of an Irish post but it doesn't get in the way of me enjoying the site.

The translate-as-you-go method appeals to me most and Buachaill Beo has been doing a fine job of adding glossaries to his Irish posts so a non-Gaelgóir can patch together the main points.

Would key words do Kate? Buachaillbeo is brilliant with the translations but not everyone would have his patience?

Thanks BuachaillBeo. Seathrún is here with a similar opinion so that's two or three of you.

I'd keep a thread largely monolingual for the reasons you said and somehow it seems just handy too. But you make a good point that there's no harm in a thread going into a different language - especially here on an Irish website - as long as the topic of the thread is kept. It'd be interesting to see the situation where that would arise, though not at all unusual here given all our eccentricities.

There will be a transitional time for all of us non fluent speakers to build up exposure to the language again but ultimately it would be a personal dream for me to be able to seamlessly read in both languages and indeed maybe we should make it an aim of the site - for people to make the effort to gradually build up their comprehension of irish and ultimately aim for that point where a thread can be bilingual and no one would really pay much attention to the fact that it was... that might seem like an impossible ambition but you have to aim for something in the future sometimes.

Auditor #9 wrote:

Thanks BuachaillBeo. Seathrún is here with a similar opinion so that's two or three of you.

I'd keep a thread largely monolingual for the reasons you said and somehow it seems just handy too. But you make a good point that there's no harm in a thread going into a different language - especially here on an Irish website - as long as the topic of the thread is kept. It'd be interesting to see the situation where that would arise, though not at all unusual here given all our eccentricities.

There will be a transitional time for all of us non fluent speakers to build up exposure to the language again but ultimately it would be a personal dream for me to be able to seamlessly read in both languages and indeed maybe we should make it an aim of the site - for people to make the effort to gradually build up their comprehension of irish and ultimately aim for that point where a thread can be bilingual and no one would really pay much attention to the fact that it was... that might seem like an impossible ambition but you have to aim for something in the future sometimes.

I couldn't find this thread at all so i gave my humble opinion on the other lostexpectation lostintranslation thread.

Suffice to say that I am fully in favour of any language being used between consenting adults on any thread. A rich tapestry should offend no good soul.

There's nothing wrong with having a dream atall Auditor.. and there's no reason why one can't achieve it eventually onwards and upwards!

Cactus on the other thread wrote:

What about the persons starting the thread says if they have any
linguistic preference and otherwise multilingual is ok? or it this all
too complicated and say we don't need any rules whatsoever we will just
fudge along for the first 6 months and then review if it is working OK ?

The no-rule rule?

From Cactus on the other thread, they're both interesting possibilities in my mind.

Auditor wrote:

as long as the topic of the thread is kept. It'd be interesting to see
the situation where that would arise, though not at all unusual here
given all our eccentricities.

I think we can pull it off .... sure it's been happening the last while anyway hasn't it?

Riadach would you be able to finish off the Charter yourself? I know you've done a rake of work on it already. Maybe it would be worth trying to get it finished for September.

I suppose this post is aimed at any gaelgeoirs out there on the content team... The Charter is in the Welcome area ... I'll stick in a link now ...

Here's the Irish translation as much as was done of it :

An Cairt as Gaeilge

Auditor #9 wrote:

Riadach would you be able to finish off the Charter yourself? I know you've done a rake of work on it already. Maybe it would be worth trying to get it finished for September.

I suppose this post is aimed at any gaelgeoirs out there on the content team... The Charter is in the Welcome area ... I'll stick in a link now ...

I'll try to get round to that quickly. Have been all over the place the last couple of weeks.

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Message to New Members

You are welcome and will abide by the Charter lest ye be flung into the outer darkness. The Charter being in essence 'Love your neighbour's Machinery as you do your own and have patience if you feel the person with whom you are communicating still has a lower grade mobile phone than you.'

Enjoy your stay here - there is plenty to be done so if you feel like rolling up your sleeves then you are welcome but if you want to relax then there are all sorts of places here to do your R&R in.

riadach wrote:

Teachtaireacht do bhaill nua an Fhóraim

Tá fáilte is fiche romhaibh, is cloífidh sibh leis an gCairt seo, nó caithfear isteach sa duibheagán seachtrach sibh. Is éard is bunchiall leis an gCairt ná 'Bíodh an grá céanna agat d'inneallra do chomharsan is atá agat d'inneallra féin, is bíodh foighne ort má airíonn tú go bhfuil guthán póca níos seanaimseartha ná an ceann is agatsa ag an té lena bhfuil tú i mbun cumarsáide.

Bain sult as do thamall anseo- ta neart le déanamh, mar sin, más mian leat dul i mbun dian-oibre, bíodh agat is fáilte, ach má tá tú faoi ualach scíthe thú, tá gach saghas áite ann inár féidir leat í a ligean.

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Welcome to Machine Nation from the Editorial Team

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Knowledge can be very powerful and effective in confronting the world and that's where fora and the ‘real’ world can dovetail. Members have and express differing opinions. MN posters share and develop knowledge through argument or dialogue in a collective spirit of problem-solving. Fun and play can lead to learning and understanding too and are part of life in Machine Nation.

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Machine Nation is a Nation of sorts, and we are all citizens, which means we all have a duty to make it a place worth living. Members are all asked take part in developing, improving and maintaining the Site and from time to time there will be review sessions of the Charter, Site and Moderation Policy to which members will be invited to participate in order to keep the site policies relevant. Members need to remember that they are responsible for what they write on the site, whether under their own name or an assumed one. Members are required to respect the rights of others.

riadach agus buachaillbeo wrote:

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Modhnóireacht an tSuímh

· Iarrtar ar gach ball, cloí le polasaí an tsuímh, modhnóireacht a dhéanamh orthu fein agus comhairliú do na modhnóirí trí theachtaireacht phríobháideach má tá siad buartha faoi aon alt.

· I gcásanna ina bhfuil dúshláin don pholasaí agus polasaí an tsuímh curtha i gcontúirt, ba chóir do bhaill teagmhail a dhéanamh leis an foireann Eagarthóireachta trí theachtaireacht phríobháideach. Muna bhfuil baill den fhoireann Eagarthóireachta ar fáil, cuir theachtaireacht phríobháideach chuig modhnóir.

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riadach wrote:

Rialacha agus cúrsaí Dlí.

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*Cuirfear ón suíomh seo thú má dhéanann tú pearsanú ar chéannacht bhaill eile nó ar dhuine iarbhír.

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riadach agus BuachaillBeo wrote:

Dea-phostáil
*Sula gcuireann tú tús le snáith nua, déan cinnte nach bhfuil snáith eile ann ina bhfuil an t-ábhar céanna á phlé.
*Nuair a chuireann tú tús le snáith nua, scríobh síos brollach coimir ar a hábhar.
*Cuir taca le do argóintí trí fhíricí a úsáid: cuir nascanna ann chun foras láidir a chur faoi do shonraí.
*Má tá tú ag scríobh ar shnáith dhuine eile, léigh siar ar na poist eile a scríobhadh romhat, is bí ábharach do bhunpointe na snáithe.
*Bain úsáid as foclaíocht shoiléir chomh mór agus is féidir leat.
*Seachain maslaithe, díspeagadh agus maistíneacht, toisc go mbaineann sé an bonn ón díospóireacht is go bhfuil sé coscrach.
*Spreagtar ar bhaill gan nathanna feargacha, neamhchaoinfhulangacha agus mífhoighneach a úsáid is iad ag cur forrán ar a chéile, óir go bhfuilimid anseo chun eolas, ní na baill, a bhreithniú is a thaifeach.
*I gcás go dtéann tú, go pearsanta, chun domlais le ball eile, ach go nglacann na baill eile leis go forleathan, is feidir úsáid a bhaint as an bhfeidhm 'friend or foe' a bhfuil le fáil i do phróifíl, chun an ball sin a sheachaint.
• Má tá tú amhrasach, comhairigh go 30 ar a laghad agus smaoinigh arís sula gcuirfidh tú leis an n-ábhar.
• Má tá fadhb agat le ball eile, seol teachtaireacht chun modhnóra.
• Ar son inléiteachta, ná luaigh sleachta neamhriachtanacha ón na teachtaireachtaí a scríobhadh roimh ré .
• Ná húsáid abhatáranna beoite mar is seachrán radhairc iad sna hábhair.

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Whichever language a thread is opened in will be the assumed default language of the thread which will be returned to for the sake of consistency, but posters can use expressions, quotes or engage in exchanges in Irish, English, German, Spanish or French for ease of expression or for illustrative purposes to add colour, interest or humour to the thread.

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BuachaillBeo wrote:

Is í an aidhm atá ag Machine Nation ná a bheith ina shuíomh dátheangach Gaeilge-Béarla ach níl a lán Gaeilge ag móran ball. Spreagann Machine Nation teangacha difríula a fhoghlaim is a chleachtadh. Is polasaí trialach é ár bpolasaí teanga agus déanfar athrú air más fóirsteanach.

Glacfar leis gurb í bunteanga cumarsáide ábhair teanga an chéid phoist san ábhár agus fillfear ar ais air ar son leanúnachais, ach is féidir le baill nathanna cainte is athfhriotail a úsáid agus a bheith ag plé as Gaeilge, as Béarla, as Gearmáinis, nó as Fraincis ionas go gcuirfear blas, spéis nó greann leis an n-ábhair nó ar mhaithe le éascaíocht cumarsáide.

Ba ceart do bhaill cúnamh a thabhairt trí aistriúcháin ailt a chur ar fáil má chuirtear achainí orthu. Ní féidir plé a dhéanamh ar dhaoine nó ar chomhlachais ainmnithe in aon teanga seachas an Ghaeilge agus Béarla. Ba chóir do bhaill modhnóirí a chur ar an eolas gan mhoill, faoi ailt a d'fhéadfadh fadhbh dhlí a chothú.

I like the green font

cactus flower wrote:

I like the green font

The parts in orange are now the bits that are still left to be converted into Irish. If I had a machine in my car to do it the other way around it might be worthy of the name 'catholic converter'.

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riadach wrote:

Teachtaireacht do bhaill nua an Fhóraim

Tá fáilte is fiche romhaibh, is cloífidh sibh leis an gCairt seo, nó caithfear isteach sa duibheagán seachtrach sibh. Is éard is bunchiall leis an gCairt ná 'Bíodh an grá céanna agat d'inneallra do chomharsan is atá agat do d'inneallra féin, is bíodh foighne ort má airíonn tú go bhfuil guthán póca níos seanaimseartha ná an ceann is agatsa ag an té lena bhfuil tú i mbun cumarsáide.

Bain sult as do thamall anseo- tá neart le déanamh, mar sin, más mian leat dul i mbun dian-oibre, bíodh agat is fáilte, ach má tá tú faoi ualach scíthe, tá gach saghas áite ann inár féidir leat í a ligean.

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riadach agus buachaillbeo wrote:

Fáilte go Machine Nation ón bhfoireann eagarthóireachta.

Is pobal é Machine Nation le baill a bhfuil fiosracht acu i bpróisis pholaitíochta, i gcúrsaí teicneolaíochta, i gcórais éiceolaíochta agus i gcórais sóisialta daonna. Tá an fóram Machine Nation oscailte le haghaidh plé, diospóireachta, agus ar son eolais a bheith i gcomhroinn.

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Is náisiún de shaghas é, Machine Nation, is is saoránaigh sinn uile, ciallaíonn sin go bhfuil sé de dhualgas orainn a dheimhniú gur áit ar fiú maireachtáil ann í. Iarrtar ar gach ball a bheith rangabhálach i bhforbairt,i bhfeabhsú is i gcothú an tsuímh, is ó ham go chéile cuirfear ar siúl dreasanna athbreithnithe na Cairte, an tSuímh is dunghaois Mhodhnóireachta, a mbeidh cuireadh ag gach ball chun páirt a ghlacadh iontu, chun ábharthacht dhúnghaoiseanna an tsuíomh a choinneáil.

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905 wrote:

Modhnóireacht an tSuímh

· Iarrtar ar gach ball, cloí le polasaí an tsuímh, modhnóireacht a dhéanamh orthu féin agus comhairliú do na modhnóirí trí theachtaireacht phríobháideach má tá siad buartha faoi aon alt.

· I gcásanna ina bhfuil dúshláin don pholasaí agus polasaí an tsuímh curtha i gcontúirt, ba chóir do bhaill teagmhail a dhéanamh leis an bhfoireann Eagarthóireachta trí theachtaireacht phríobháideach. Muna bhfuil baill den fhoireann Eagarthóireachta ar fáil, cuir teachtaireacht phríobháideach chuig modhnóir.

· Is í aidhm na modhnóirí a bheith chomh leanúnach, cothrom agus neamhtheorantach agus is féidir.

· Is í aidhm na modhnóireachta ligean do dhifríochtaí a mhaireachtáil le chéile agus smaointí a phlé gan éinne a dhíspeagadh; ní thógann modhnóirí taobh amháin nó taobh eile.

· Is féidir le modhnóirí comhairle a thabhairt faoi nascanna néata, faoi liostaí, faoi fhíseáin leabaithe srl. má iarrtar orthu le teachtaireacht phríobháideach.

· Cuirtear i gcoinne iompair thoirmeascaigh nó briogadh ar son briogtha, agus má leanann sé is féidir go gcuirfear cros ar an duine atá freagrach.

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riadach wrote:

Rialacha agus cúrsaí Dlí.

Aontaíonn gach ball go bhfuil freagracht iomlán acu as a dtaerthónna is a ráitisí féin, agus nach freagrach leo Machine Nation is gach indibhidiúil a bhfuil baint nó páirt aige le Machine Nation as aon chaillteanas, aon dliteanas, aon chostaisí nó aon phíonós airgid a eascraíonn ó fhoilsiú na dtaerthónna sin. Postálann gach ball a ráitisí is a dtaerthónna ar a bpriacail féin i ngach réim dlí.

*Cuirfear dea-bhéasanna is cabhair is comhbhá i measc na mball chun cinn.
*Ní cúis díspeagtha nó mhaslaithe é bheith ar mhalairt tuairime le baill eile.
*Ní ceadaítear do bhall maistíneacht nó bagairt a dhéanamh ar bhaill eile.
*Ní ceadaítear rud a lua nó a athlua, gan cruthúnas, a dhéanann dochar do cháil duine eile.
*Ní ceadaítear do dhuine gráin nó leatrom atá bunaithe ar chúrsaí ar nós inscne, polaitíochta, cine, creidimh, claonta gnéasaigh, is araile, a spreagadh.
*Ní féidir le baill íomhánna nó téacs a fhoilsiú a bhfuil gné dhúshaothraitheach, luarga nó gháirsiúl leo.
*Má phostálann tú téacs, grianghrafanna nó meán ar bith eile, ní mór duit a dheimhniú nach bhfuil sé faoi chosaint chóipcirte. I gcomhair poist scríofa, is éard is fearr ná píosa beag a scríobh ag míniú carb as dó, is nascanna chun na foinse a chur leis.
*Ná tabhair comhairle dlí, gnó nó comhairle phroifisiúnta de shaghas ar bith eile, toisc go mb'fhéidir go bhfágfadh sé thú is an súomh seo lom ar chaingean dlí.
*Ná foilsigh leideanna ar scaireanna áirithe muna bhfuil sé bunaithe ar eolas foilsithe.
*Ná cuir ar an suíomh seo, aon eolas neamhfhoilsithe nó ón taobh istigh ar chásanna cúirte.
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*Ní féidir le baill ach céannacht amháin a bheith acu.
*Cuirfear ón suíomh seo thú má fhoilsíonn, nó má bhagraíonn tú go bhfoilseoir, céannachtaí ball nó a n-eolas pearsanta gan cead a gceann.
*Cuirfear ón suíomh seo thú má dhéanann tú pearsanú ar chéannacht bhaill eile nó ar dhuine iarbhír.

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riadach agus BuachaillBeo wrote:

Dea-phostáil
*Sula gcuireann tú tús le snáith nua, déan cinnte nach bhfuil snáith eile ann ina bhfuil an t-ábhar céanna á phlé.
*Nuair a chuireann tú tús le snáith nua, scríobh síos brollach coimir ar a hábhar.
*Cuir taca le do argóintí trí fhíricí a úsáid: cuir nascanna ann chun foras láidir a chur faoi do shonraí.
*Má tá tú ag scríobh ar shnáith dhuine eile, léigh siar ar na poist eile a scríobhadh romhat, is bí ábharach do bhunpointe na snáithe.
*Bain úsáid as foclaíocht shoiléir chomh mór agus is féidir leat.
*Seachain maslaithe, díspeagadh agus maistíneacht, toisc go mbaineann sé an bonn ón díospóireacht is go bhfuil sé coscrach.
*Spreagtar ar bhaill gan nathanna feargacha, neamhchaoinfhulangacha agus mífhoighneacha a úsáid is iad ag cur forrán ar a chéile, óir go bhfuilimid anseo chun eolas, ní na baill, a bhreithniú is a thaifeach.
*I gcás go dtéann tú, go pearsanta, chun domlais le ball eile, ach go nglacann na baill eile leis go forleathan, is feidir úsáid a bhaint as an bhfeidhm 'friend or foe' a bhfuil le fáil i do phróifíl, chun an ball sin a sheachaint.
• Má tá tú amhrasach, comhairigh go 30 ar a laghad agus smaoinigh arís sula gcuirfidh tú leis an ábhar.
• Má tá fadhb agat le ball eile, seol teachtaireacht chun modhnóra.
• Ar son inléiteachta, ná luaigh sleachta neamhriachtanacha ón na teachtaireachtaí a scríobhadh roimh ré .
• Ná húsáid abhatáranna beoite mar is seachrán radhairc iad sna hábhair.

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Language Policy

Machine Nation aspires to be a bilingual English-Irish site but many members don't have much Irish. Machine Nation encourages learning and practice of different languages. Our language policy is experimental and will be adjusted if the need arises.

Whichever language a thread is opened in will be the assumed default language of the thread which will be returned to for the sake of consistency, but posters can use expressions, quotes or engage in exchanges in Irish, English, German, Spanish or French for ease of expression or for illustrative purposes to add colour, interest or humour to the thread.

Members should help with translations of posts when requested. Languages other than English and Irish may not be used to discuss named persons or bodies. Members should alert Mods to any non-English post that may present a legal problem without delay.

Enjoy posting !

BuachaillBeo wrote:

Is í an aidhm atá ag Machine Nation ná a bheith ina shuíomh dátheangach Gaeilge-Béarla ach níl a lán Gaeilge ag móran ball. Spreagann Machine Nation teangacha difríula a fhoghlaim is a chleachtadh. Is polasaí trialach é ár bpolasaí teanga agus déanfar athrú air más fóirsteanach.

Glacfar leis gurb í bunteanga cumarsáide ábhair teanga an chéid phoist san ábhár agus fillfear ar ais air ar son leanúnachais, ach is féidir le baill nathanna cainte is athfhriotail a úsáid agus a bheith ag plé as Gaeilge, as Béarla, as Gearmáinis, nó as Fraincis ionas go gcuirfear blas, spéis nó greann leis an ábhar nó ar mhaithe le éascaíocht cumarsáide.

Ba ceart do bhaill cúnamh a thabhairt trí aistriúcháin ailt a chur ar fáil má chuirtear achainí orthu. Ní féidir plé a dhéanamh ar dhaoine nó ar chomhlachais ainmnithe in aon teanga seachas an Ghaeilge agus Béarla. Ba chóir do bhaill modhnóirí a chur ar an eolas gan mhoill, faoi ailt a d'fhéadfadh fadhb dhlí a chothú.

I see mistakes. Any chance I can edit your post audi?

riadach wrote:

I see mistakes. Any chance I can edit your post audi?

Are you able to? Go ahead - that's what it's there for.

Sorry I couldn't add any more of a message than 'bump' - the post is too big otherwise. You might run into that problem if you add some extra bits - maybe the whole thing could be broken up into two then ..

Right, done. Reading back over it, the Irish is very snazzy, we should be rather proud of it.

riadach wrote:

Right, done. Reading back over it, the Irish is very snazzy, we should be rather proud of it.

I'm quite sure it is Riadach, thankyou and the others very much for all the work you've done on it. It looks fantastic.


I'll try and have a little read of it.

riadach wrote:

Right, done. Reading back over it, the Irish is very snazzy, we should be rather proud of it.

Comhgairdgeas riadach! An bhfuil sé glán críochnaithe? Ba mhaith liom an Cáirt go dtí an sraith seo a aistriú.

Tá an chuma sin uirthi ceart go leor. Beidh mé ag breathnú uirthi ó ham go ham chun é sin a dheimhniú.

riadach wrote:

Tá an chuma sin uirthi ceart go leor. Beidh mé ag breathnú uirthi ó ham go ham chun é sin a dheimhniú.

Go hiontach agus comhgairdgeas arís!

Thanks for posting it up, Ard Taoiseach - fantastico

cactus flower wrote:

Thanks for posting it up, Ard Taoiseach - fantastico

Ah, ná habair é, bhí sé tada.