ANGER!!!!!

floatingingalway wrote:

The thing with anger is that it builds up. That is why it can be such a frightening emotion. All these little things annoy you and then suddenly you hit breaking point.

The way to deconsruct anger is to take it apart in the same manner that it built up, bit by bit.

I have been feeling a build up lately too and I have questioned how long will it be before there is widespread anger.

My solution has been to talk about it to people. I have written to and telephoned TDs and ministers to express my displeasure. I have spoken to many like-minded people which has arranged my anger into some sort of coherent order.

I have done some concrete things to try to make a difference such as lodging a complaint to the EU. I got stickers made up telling people not to fall for the home choice scheme and have found it to be a great stress reliever going around sticking them in prominent places. I'm going to keep niggling Triodos to open up to the Irish market.

I genuinely feel I am doing something proactive and it makes me feel a whole lot better.

Don't get down because of other people's apathy. We all work at different speeds and if you can calm the storm by taking small but effective actions you are doing the whole country a favour. I shudder to think about the civil unease if everybody was at the same anger level as some of us!

You are doing some forum hopping alright on the campaigns and I think that's a good sign !

I think the old slogan about getting mad and getting even is right here. There's anger and there's indignation too which are different and there's dangerous emotions like wrath - the biblical super-anger which perhaps unleashed the French Revolution but could visit our individual lives too. One to avoid, wrath.

What we must generally be feeling is indignation or puzzlement and outrage at the injustice of the shite system we occupy. We vote for people who vote for Acts which install Govt. Agencies which are black boxes (or holes) in terms of funding of public money. "Sorry - you don't need to know where that 5.7 mill went - just take it from us that it was well spent." And my own first inclination and reflex is to do something about it.

I think it's good that we are talking about it on sites like this. I believe anger managers will get you to talk to 8 friends about your troubles so you'll have an outlet or a release valve. The trouble with this is obvious and true - the pressure goes away after the shouting and ranting and railing are over. We forget, as we are perhaps supposed to, and when the next opportunity for outrage turns up then we do much the same. We threaten to fuck FF out forever and sure people do for a term or a TD loses his seat or some local councillors lose theirs but in the end FUCK ALL CHANGES does it ?

I think these forums could have a certain value - the Pin has taken to the streets before and it's perhaps only time before that escalates. Maybe it'll be too late by then. Maybe these forums aren't any part of an answer but with any kind of critical mass they should be. People need to make decisions and come to a consensus. It could be a matter of changing a mechanism as I usually think it is when something's broken - in this case some party or crowd need to lobby for more transparency and freedom of information. Big style. Some of us would then start a site which would communicate Govt. spending in a way your cat could understand. That might reach more people.

But people need to start looking for value too and I think people need desperately to come to a consensus or we're all fucked.

The best way to convince people of anything is to plant a seed and let them go away and come up with their own conclusions. When someone reaches their own conclusions they will have more conviction about them than about some poliitcs that they remotely relate to because they went into a polling booth and ticked a box.

A good seed will produce a strong and healthy plant. The same goes for a simple slogan such as what Obama used.

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Yes we can!

Those three words ended up being the most powerful words of the entire US presidential campaign and they effected major change. People took them to be their own words and believed in them.

What we as a people need to do is simplify what we want and get it down to a few words as above. People are not in the mood for rhetoric at the moment. They are getting bombarded by that all over the place and they don't know what to believe.

Think of some of the most effective advertising campaigns, e.g. the MacDonalds "I'm lovin' it" campaign. They all know that people don't need lots of words, two or three will do.

eoinmn wrote:

Thanks goodness we have the internet with fora like this for venting.

The problem with internet sites is that they tend to attract people of a like mind in the first place (like the pin), they then talk exclusively to each other and manage to convince themselves that they are absolutely right and there is no other point of view worth considering…..enter, stage left, the no longer thinking mob.

Ah sure I disagree with everyone here. I just keep it to myself in a Machiavellian way as I lure you all into a false sense of security in preparation for my reaping of vengeance upon you.

tonys wrote:

eoinmn wrote:

Thanks goodness we have the internet with fora like this for venting.

The problem with internet sites is that they tend to attract people of a like mind in the first place (like the pin), they then talk exclusively to each other and manage to convince themselves that they are absolutely right and there is no other point of view worth considering…..enter, stage left, the no longer thinking mob.

so rather like the people who run the country and the EU then.

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tonys wrote:

eoinmn wrote:

Thanks goodness we have the internet with fora like this for venting.

The problem with internet sites is that they tend to attract people of a like mind in the first place (like the pin), they then talk exclusively to each other and manage to convince themselves that they are absolutely right and there is no other point of view worth considering…..enter, stage left, the no longer thinking mob.

Oxymorons aside - do you think there can be a thinking mob and are us viralists wasting our sweetness trying to stir one up ? Do you think a thinking mob could be any answer to anything ? Sooner or later I am convinced we'll have to move towards participatory budgets where we vote on spending locally perhaps even nationally. It might entail an "thinking mob" to do that.

I' agree with you that the Pin generally tends to exclude those who aren't in their vein but that's not fully true either. I think they had an excellent debate on the question of whether mortgages should be forgiven - a thesis proposed by McWilliams recently. http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=15807&hilit=forgiveness It's my belief that the trainspotters of the world will succeed in planting some of those seeds that floatingingalway was talking about. Hopefully not seeds of destruction - but that's up to the one who assesses the data or integrates it ...

So much anger and depression will result from the mortgage and other debt cage that so many people have locked themselves into - have a look at this type of thing - if it's not a recipe for disaster, anger depression what is ? I'd ask how many people out there are as up the creek as this one below.

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Ok so I know Im in a lot of debt but really trying to clear it just want someone else opinion as to anywhere I could cut back. Thank

Me: 25 €435.00 net per week
DH: 25 €610.00 net per week
so about 4180 in 4 week month extra week used for baby clothes car tax presents and bimonthly cinema trip.

1 child aged 1.5, both civil servants so not much chance of being made redundant.

Mortgage €1,200 p/m
Childminder €400.00 p/m
Loans €1,800 p/m
Petrol €75 p/m
Insurance home life and car €80 p/m
Shopping €550 p/m and that it no nipping to the shop no coffee in work etc

Leaves €75 a month for emergencies anything that may crop up.

We use child benefit €166 p/m for esb/gas/phone/tv

I know loans were stupid but a case of masters loans for us both and then problem with home we sold for less than we paid as we needed to move home for jobs and baby two yrs and all loans will be gone. Have no other childminder options as already using a family member.
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Those are the lucky ones, aren't they.

Those are the ones who will be too busy making ends meet to have any time or energy to call for change. This is the core problem - the debt slave mentality.

floatingingalway wrote:

Those are the ones who will be too busy making ends meet to have any time or energy to call for change. This is the core problem - the debt slave mentality.

As I read it there is no real problem there, they simply reschedule their loans from 2 to 4 years and thereby free up about 900.00 a month.

You may have seen bits and pieces of this film on youtube or other places but it's from 1976 and was insightful about the effects of the media arousing strong emtions and then those emotions being manipulated and ultimately dispersed.

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