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PostSubject: Legal position after the No vote on the treaty   Legal position after the No vote on the treaty EmptySun Jun 22, 2008 10:31 pm

There is a very clear explanation of the legal position that applies after the No vote on the RTÉ Radio One site here . Click on the link there for the Diarmaid Rossa Phelan segment of the This Week programme broadcast on June 22.

I think people will find it helpful in separating fact from fiction over the coming months.
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PostSubject: Re: Legal position after the No vote on the treaty   Legal position after the No vote on the treaty EmptyMon Jun 23, 2008 12:01 am

How did it happen during Nice II? The other countries' parliaments ratified the modifications?
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PostSubject: Re: Legal position after the No vote on the treaty   Legal position after the No vote on the treaty EmptyMon Jun 23, 2008 12:24 am

That mechanism Diarmuid Phelan is talking about for treaty ratification (the internationally agreed (?) mechanism by which Treaties operate) - that's a provision inside the Lisbon Treaty itself, is it ? Which Article is it if it is ?

If there are new protocols or articles added for us then the Treaty will have to be re-ratified by all the seperate governments again - what a pain in the hole... the others won't do it will they or can they fast track it ?

Good God what a mess - we'll just vote Yes though next time, won't we ? They should just put one box on the ballot paper.. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Legal position after the No vote on the treaty   Legal position after the No vote on the treaty EmptyMon Jun 23, 2008 4:23 pm

Auditor #9 wrote:
That mechanism Diarmuid Phelan is talking about for treaty ratification (the internationally agreed (?) mechanism by which Treaties operate) - that's a provision inside the Lisbon Treaty itself, is it ? Which Article is it if it is ?

If there are new protocols or articles added for us then the Treaty will have to be re-ratified by all the seperate governments again - what a pain in the hole... the others won't do it will they or can they fast track it ?

Good God what a mess - we'll just vote Yes though next time, won't we ? They should just put one box on the ballot paper.. Wink

Martin Mansergh is reported as having said that we should not have ballot papers at all.
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PostSubject: Re: Legal position after the No vote on the treaty   Legal position after the No vote on the treaty EmptyMon Jun 23, 2008 8:33 pm

arnaudherve wrote:
How did it happen during Nice II? The other countries' parliaments ratified the modifications?

No that was not necessary. All that happened after Nice 1 was that the Irish government made a unilateral Declaration about neutrality. That has no legal effect on the treaty. So no new ratification process was required.

Nice 1 and Nice 2 are identical treaties.
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