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| Subject: Poem of the Week. Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:55 pm | |
| I have this one on the CD "The Poet and The Piper". I prefer to listen to Seamus read it to me but its worth a read too. From Seamus Heaney.
Digging
Between my finger and my thumb The squat pen rests; as snug as a gun.
Under my window a clean rasping sound When the spade sinks into gravelly ground: My father, digging. I look down
Till his straining rump among the flowerbeds Bends low, comes up twenty years away Stooping in rhythm through potato drills Where he was digging.
The coarse boot nestled on the lug, the shaft Against the inside knee was levered firmly. He rooted out tall tops, buried the bright edge deep To scatter new potatoes that we picked Loving their cool hardness in our hands.
By God, the old man could handle a spade, Just like his old man.
My grandfather could cut more turf in a day Than any other man on Toner's bog. Once I carried him milk in a bottle Corked sloppily with paper. He straightened up To drink it, then fell to right away Nicking and slicing neatly, heaving sods Over his shoulder, digging down and down For the good turf. Digging.
The cold smell of potato mold, the squelch and slap Of soggy peat, the curt cuts of an edge Through living roots awaken in my head. But I've no spade to follow men like them.
Between my finger and my thumb The squat pen rests. I'll dig with it. |
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| Subject: Re: Poem of the Week. Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:08 pm | |
| Nice, very nice, but I still love the Pangur Bawn one best, as a poem about writing. |
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| Subject: Re: Poem of the Week. Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:10 pm | |
| I and Pangur Ban my cat, 'Tis a like task we are at: Hunting mice is his delight, Hunting words I sit all night. Better far than praise of men 'Tis to sit with book and pen; Pangur bears me no ill-will, He too plies his simple skill. 'Tis a merry task to see At our tasks how glad are we, When at home we sit and find Entertainment to our mind. Oftentimes a mouse will stray In the hero Pangur's way; Oftentimes my keen thought set Takes a meaning in its net. 'Gainst the wall he sets his eye Full and fierce and sharp and sly; 'Gainst the wall of knowledge I All my little wisdom try. When a mouse darts from its den, O how glad is Pangur then! O what gladness do I prove When I solve the doubts I love! So in peace our task we ply, Pangur Ban, my cat, and I; In our arts we find our bliss, I have mine and he has his. Practice every day has made Pangur perfect in his trade; I get wisdom day and night Turning darkness into light. -- Anon., (Irish, 8th century |
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| Subject: Re: Poem of the Week. Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:16 pm | |
| That's a poem that features heavily on the Junior Cert syllabus because young people really, really get it. It's one of those rare poems that can be read by adults and children and patronises neither age group.
One of the features I like most about it (and in which Heaney's accent and rhythms of speech are so important) is the way the sounds throughout the lines recall the 'nicking and slicing' of the turf.
There's one spoken version on Youtube but the speaker doesn't have that depth and tonality of Heaney's northern accent. |
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| Subject: Re: Poem of the Week. Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:39 pm | |
| I have to say that I was tiring of Heaney by the time I left school. But this poem will stay with me. Doesn't go down too well with those who liked to quote him when the Good Friday Agreement was signed. Requiem for the Croppies |
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| Subject: Re: Poem of the Week. Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:48 pm | |
| "Follower" was just a question on the book quiz. BBC 4 now |
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| Subject: Re: Poem of the Week. Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:42 pm | |
| - cactus flower wrote:
- I and Pangur Ban my cat,
'Tis a like task we are at: Hunting mice is his delight, Hunting words I sit all night.
Better far than praise of men 'Tis to sit with book and pen; Pangur bears me no ill-will, He too plies his simple skill.
'Tis a merry task to see At our tasks how glad are we, When at home we sit and find Entertainment to our mind.
Oftentimes a mouse will stray In the hero Pangur's way; Oftentimes my keen thought set Takes a meaning in its net.
'Gainst the wall he sets his eye Full and fierce and sharp and sly; 'Gainst the wall of knowledge I All my little wisdom try.
When a mouse darts from its den, O how glad is Pangur then! O what gladness do I prove When I solve the doubts I love!
So in peace our task we ply, Pangur Ban, my cat, and I; In our arts we find our bliss, I have mine and he has his.
Practice every day has made Pangur perfect in his trade; I get wisdom day and night Turning darkness into light.
-- Anon., (Irish, 8th century Nice, but by making it adhere to metre, I think maybe the underlying sense is lost. So just for balance the original and a more accurate Irish translation. Pangur Bán
| The Scholar and his Cat (Murphy's title)
| Messe ocus Pangur Bán, cechtar nathar fria saindan: bíth a menmasam fri seilgg, mu memna céin im saincheirdd. | I and white Felix, each of us two (keeps) at his specialty: his mind is set on hunting, my mind on my special subject. |
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| Caraimse fos (ferr cach clu) oc mu lebran, leir ingnu; ni foirmtech frimm Pangur Bán: caraid cesin a maccdán. | I love (it is better than all fame) to be quiet beside my book, with persistent inquiry. Not envious of me White Felix; _he_ loves his childish art. |
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| O ru biam (scél cen scís) innar tegdais, ar n-oendís, taithiunn, dichrichide clius, ni fris tarddam ar n-áthius. | When we two are (tale without boredom) alone in our house, we have something to which we may apply our skill, an endless sport. |
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| Gnáth, huaraib, ar gressaib gal glenaid luch inna línsam; os mé, du-fuit im lín chéin dliged ndoraid cu ndronchéill. | It is customary at times for a mouse to stick in his net, as a result of warlike struggles (feats of valor). For my part, into _my_ net falls some difficult crux of hard meaning.
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| Fuachaidsem fri frega fál a rosc, a nglése comlán; fuachimm chein fri fegi fis mu rosc reil, cesu imdis. | He directs his bright perfect eye against an enclosing wall. Though my (once) clear eye is very weak I direct it against acuteness of knowledge. |
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| Faelidsem cu ndene dul hi nglen luch inna gerchrub; hi tucu cheist ndoraid ndil os me chene am faelid. | He is joyful with swift movement when a mouse sticks in his sharp claw. I too am joyful when I understand a dearly loved difficult question. |
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| Cia beimmi a-min nach ré ni derban cách a chele: maith la cechtar nár a dán; subaigthius a óenurán. | Though we are always like this, neither of us bothers the other: each of us likes his craft, rejoicing alone each in his. |
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| He fesin as choimsid dáu in muid du-ngni cach oenláu; du thabairt doraid du glé for mu mud cein am messe. | He it is who is master for himself of the work which he does every day. I can perform my own task, directed toward understanding clearly that which is difficult. |
Interestingly, it is listed as one of the few examples of individualism in literature prior to the renaissance. The emphasises on messe in the first line, and it's corresponding dúnadh, are said to be an indication of this. |
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| Subject: Re: Poem of the Week. Sat Apr 12, 2008 11:44 pm | |
| Is this the poem, Riadach, that was written in the margin of one of the great books - Kells or Durrow? |
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| Subject: Re: Poem of the Week. Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:11 am | |
| - Kate P wrote:
- Is this the poem, Riadach, that was written in the margin of one of the great books - Kells or Durrow?
Not exactly, it was written in a margin though. It was in the margin of a grammar book in Reichanau. Quite understandable when studying grammar that one's mind would wander to more artistic things. |
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| Subject: Re: Poem of the Week. Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:29 am | |
| Is there a modern Irish version of Pangur Bán? |
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| Subject: Re: Poem of the Week. Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:07 am | |
| Poem of the day link added on Latest Discussions page below links. Let me know if you'd prefer a different source. | |
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| Subject: Re: Poem of the Week. Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:17 am | |
| My that's neat - can we put a piece of my art there someday? Get a few more pounds in .. I draw good goblins ! |
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| Subject: Re: Poem of the Week. Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:24 am | |
| Your art is first class Audi. It should be Top Dead Center.
I once wrote a poem about myself. Is that weird ? It was done in a jest, so maybe I got away with it. I was about 16 or something, long before I had Youtube to express myself. | |
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| Subject: Re: Poem of the Week. Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:41 am | |
| - Auditor #9 wrote:
- Ok, these are not goblins but it's the only thing on the net
http://www.silverpond.eu/refuge/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4
I recently found some goblins I did when i was 15 and reading the Lord of the Rings... they're nice (and ugly) and I'll scan them in and put them here sometime This is really good stuff. There is definatly a talent there. The bould P.Flynn ended up a fabulous painter, why not The Ninth Auditor |
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| Subject: Re: Poem of the Week. Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:58 am | |
| - riadach wrote:
- Kate P wrote:
- Is this the poem, Riadach, that was written in the margin of one of the great books - Kells or Durrow?
Not exactly, it was written in a margin though. It was in the margin of a grammar book in Reichanau. Quite understandable when studying grammar that one's mind would wander to more artistic things. Don't know where this is from, but it is the nicest medieval cat I could find. Loved the drawings Audi, took me back to the good old day (or two) at The Refuge. |
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| Subject: Re: Poem of the Week. Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:11 am | |
| This is a not-very-great poem D.H. Lawrence wrote when he was a young man, called "Dog-Tired". It might do nicely for anyone who has been toiling and tilling the fields, or the back garden.
In she would come to me here Now the sunken swaths Are glittering paths To the sun, and the swallows cut clear Into the setting sun! If she came to me here!
if she would come to me now, Before the last-mown harebells are dead While that vetch clump still burns red! Before all the bats have dropped from the bough To cool in the night; if she came to me now!
The horses are unshackled, the chattering machine Is still at last. If she would come We could gather up the dry hay from The hill brow, and lie quite still, till the green Sky ceased to quiver, and lost its active sheen.
I should like to drop On the hay, with my head on her knee, And lie dead still, while she Breathed quiet above me; and the crop Of stars grew silently.
I should like to lie still As if I were dead; but feeling Her hand go stealing Over my face and head, until This ache was shed. |
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| Subject: Re: Poem of the Week. Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:27 pm | |
| a poem for all those bullied by trubunals Invictus (by W.E. Henley) Out of the night that covers me Black as the pit from pole to pole I thank whatever gods may be For my unconquerable soul In the fell clutch of circumstance I have not winced, nor cried aloud Under the bludgeoning of chance My head is bloody, but unbowed Beyond this place of wrath and tears Looms but the horror of the shade And yet the menace of the years Finds and shall find me unafraid It matters not how strait the gate How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate I am the captain of my soul. |
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| Subject: Re: Poem of the Week. Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:32 pm | |
| - Zhou_Enlai wrote:
- a poem for all those bullied by trubunals
Invictus (by W.E. Henley) Out of the night that covers me Black as the pit from pole to pole I thank whatever gods may be For my unconquerable soul In the fell clutch of circumstance I have not winced, nor cried aloud Under the bludgeoning of chance My head is bloody, but unbowed Beyond this place of wrath and tears Looms but the horror of the shade And yet the menace of the years Finds and shall find me unafraid It matters not how strait the gate How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate I am the captain of my soul. Very inspiring Zhou. Thanks for that. |
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| Subject: Re: Poem of the Week. Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:15 pm | |
| Maybe it's a bit early in the summer for this, but, sitting on the step at the French doors (on my own and without strawberries, I hasten to add), I got thinking of this one.
Strawberries
There were never strawberries like the ones we had that sultry afternoon sitting on the step of the open french window facing each other your knees held in mine the blue plates in our laps the strawberries glistening in the hot sunlight we dipped them in sugar looking at each other not hurrying the feast for one to come the empty plates laid on the stone together with the two forks crossed and I bent towards you sweet in that air
in my arms abandoned like a child from your eager mouth the taste of strawberries in my memory lean back again let me love you
let the sun beat on our forgetfulness one hour of all the heat intense and summer lightning on the Kilpatrick hills
let the storm wash the plates
-- Edwin Morgan |
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| Subject: Begin It Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:32 pm | |
| One of my favourites; Until one is committed, there is hesitancy, the chance to draw back.
Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth, the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans:
that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then Providence moves too.
All sorts of things occur to help one that would never otherwise have occurred.
A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents and meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamed would have come his way.
Whatever you can do, or dream you can do, begin it.
Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it.
Begin it now.
This is attributted to Goethe but its not 100% sure wether the the german philosopher was responsable. Nike created an updated version a few years back; Just Do It!
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| Subject: Re: Poem of the Week. Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:37 pm | |
| - Johnny Keogh wrote:
- One of my favourites;
Until one is committed, there is hesitancy, the chance to draw back.
Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth, the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans:
that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then Providence moves too.
All sorts of things occur to help one that would never otherwise have occurred.
A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents and meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamed would have come his way.
Whatever you can do, or dream you can do, begin it. Boldness has genius, power, and magic in it.
Begin it now.
This is attributted to Goethe but its not 100% sure wether the the german philosopher was responsable. Nike created an updated version a few years back; Just Do It! Yes, beginning is a lot to do with overcoming fears and imaginary demons, and there is a great sense of freedom when you step over them and get on with it. |
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| Subject: Re: Poem of the Week. Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:11 pm | |
| I think this is especially inspiring - considering the alternatives posed at the end. When I need a kick in the ass, this is a good poem for precisely that job.
The Roofwalker by Adrienne Rich (1961) --for Denise Levertov Over the half-finished houses night comes. The builders stand on the roof. It is quiet after the hammers, the pulleys hang slack. 5 Giants, the roofwalkers, on a listing deck, the wave of darkness about to break on their heads. The sky is a torn sail where figures 10 pass magnified, shadows on a burning deck. I feel like them up there: exposed, larger than life, and due to break my neck. 15 Was it worth while to lay-- with infinite exertion-- a roof I can't live under? --All those blueprints, closings of gaps 20 measurings, calculations? A life I didn't choose chose me: even my tools are the wrong ones for what I have to do. 25 I'm naked, ignorant, a naked man fleeing across the roofs who could with a shade of difference be sitting in the lamplight 30 against the cream wallpaper reading--not with indifference-- about a naked man fleeing across the roofs. |
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| Subject: Re: Poem of the Week. Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:24 pm | |
| youngdan linked us to a dreadful piece of film, that made me think of this poem. Sorry and all, on a Saturday night.
Over Babiy Yar there are no memorials The steep hillside like a rough inscription I am frightened. Today I am as old as the Jewish race. I seem to myself a Jew at this moment. I, wandering in Eygypt. I, crucified. I perishing. Even today the mark of the nails. I think also of Dreyfus. I am he. The Philistine my judge and my accuser. Cut off by bars and cornered, ringed around, spat at, lied about; the screaming ladies with the Brussels lace poke me in the face with parasols. I am also a boy in Belostok, the dropping blood spreads across the floor, the public-bar heroes are rioting in an equal stench of garlic and of drink. I have no strength, go spinning from a boot, shriek useless prayers that they won't listen to; with a cackle of "Thrash the kikes and save Russia!" the corn-chandler is beating up my mother. I seem to myself like Anna Frank to be transparent as an April twig and am in love, I have no need for words, I need for us to look at one another. How little we have to see or to smell separated from the foliage and the sky, how much, how much in the dark room gently embracing each other. They're coming. Don't be afraid. The booming and the banging of the spring. Its coming this way. Come to me. Quickly, give me your lips. They're battering in the door. Roar of the ice.
Over Babiy Yar rustle of the wild grass. The trees look threatening, look like judges. And everything is one silent cry. Taking my hat off I feel myself slowly going grey. And I am one silent cry over the many thousands of the buried; am every old man killed here, every child killed here. O my Russian people, I know you. Your nature is international. Foul hands rattle your clean name. I know the goodness of my country. How horrible it is that pompous title the anti-semites calmly call themselves, Society of the Russian People. No part of me can ever forget it. When the last anti-semite on the earth is buried for ever let the International ring out. No Jewish blood runs among my blood, but I am as bitterly and hardly hated by every anti-semite as if I were a Jew. By this I am Russian.
Yevgeny Yevtushenko trans. Peter Levi |
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