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| Subject: Israeli Embassy in London Under Siege. Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:45 pm | |
| As I type there are reports coming in of a riot outside the Israeli embassy, involving thousands. Keep an eye on this thread on the UK's Indymedia for news as it comes in: LINK. |
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| Subject: Re: Israeli Embassy in London Under Siege. Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:31 pm | |
| Doesn't seem to have been much of a riot. Throwing shoes seems to becoming quite popular though... LINK. |
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| Subject: Re: Israeli Embassy in London Under Siege. Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:17 pm | |
| - Hermes wrote:
- Doesn't seem to have been much of a riot. Throwing shoes seems to becoming quite popular though...
LINK. "Get down to Kensington High Street now! There is a mass riot involving thousands of people going on right now and the Israeli embassy is very close to being stormed. This is an event not to be missed!" Indeed, sounds great fun altogether, a right jolly jape. |
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| Subject: Re: Israeli Embassy in London Under Siege. Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:19 pm | |
| - tonys wrote:
- Hermes wrote:
- Doesn't seem to have been much of a riot. Throwing shoes seems to becoming quite popular though...
LINK. "Get down to Kensington High Street now! There is a mass riot involving thousands of people going on right now and the Israeli embassy is very close to being stormed. This is an event not to be missed!"
Indeed, sounds great fun altogether, a right jolly jape. For a few, maybe tonys, but most people involved would have other things to do with their Saturday afternoons. |
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| Subject: Re: Israeli Embassy in London Under Siege. Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:26 pm | |
| - cactus flower wrote:
- tonys wrote:
- Hermes wrote:
- Doesn't seem to have been much of a riot. Throwing shoes seems to becoming quite popular though...
LINK. "Get down to Kensington High Street now! There is a mass riot involving thousands of people going on right now and the Israeli embassy is very close to being stormed. This is an event not to be missed!"
Indeed, sounds great fun altogether, a right jolly jape. For a few, maybe tonys, but most people involved would have other things to do with their Saturday afternoons. I wouldn’t know the likely breakdown between the “rent a crowd” and concerned citizens, but someone in Indymedia UK seems to think a bit of fun is there to be had. |
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| Subject: Re: Israeli Embassy in London Under Siege. Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:34 pm | |
| - tonys wrote:
- cactus flower wrote:
- tonys wrote:
- Hermes wrote:
- Doesn't seem to have been much of a riot. Throwing shoes seems to becoming quite popular though...
LINK. "Get down to Kensington High Street now! There is a mass riot involving thousands of people going on right now and the Israeli embassy is very close to being stormed. This is an event not to be missed!"
Indeed, sounds great fun altogether, a right jolly jape. For a few, maybe tonys, but most people involved would have other things to do with their Saturday afternoons. I wouldn’t know the likely breakdown between the “rent a crowd” and concerned citizens, but someone in Indymedia UK seems to think a bit of fun is there to be had. Indymedia, as far as I understand it, operates as a kind of notice board. That seems to be an anonymous, and not very serious post. There were a couple of thousand people in a peaceful demonstration, so far as I can see from the news. |
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| Subject: Re: Israeli Embassy in London Under Siege. Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:26 am | |
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| Subject: Re: Israeli Embassy in London Under Siege. Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:27 pm | |
| Cheers Hermes for posting that vid entitled "The Battle", I think it was.
My head is streaming with flu at the mo but "the battle" seemed to comprise a number of masked and unmasked protesters strenuously trying to provoke the police into a reaction, by flinging a metal barrier directly at the heads of the police.
Why does a good cause always attract such elements? |
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| Subject: Re: Israeli Embassy in London Under Siege. Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:52 pm | |
| - Atticus wrote:
- Cheers Hermes for posting that vid entitled "The Battle", I think it was.
My head is streaming with flu at the mo but "the battle" seemed to comprise a number of masked and unmasked protesters strenuously trying to provoke the police into a reaction, by flinging a metal barrier directly at the heads of the police.
Why does a good cause always attract such elements? You're welcome. Hope you're feeling better soon. Loadsa liquids, the hotter the better. You're asking a question that's got a very complex answer. Time and circumstances factor heavily into any such search. Unless one is absolutely authoritarian in one's outlook, one must conclude that there does exist a time or rather, a circumstance, when one is justified in attacking the police. The pertinent question I think is: Has that point been reached. Some will argue that it was reached long ago, others will believe it has been reached now, whilst others will say that such a time is yet very far off. It's a tipping point thing. That old Chinese curse is proving an apt description: "May you live in interesting times." We're living in very interesting times and no singular issue is the cause of violence on the streets. |
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| Subject: Re: Israeli Embassy in London Under Siege. Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:06 pm | |
| Throwing a stick at riot police does not a revolution make. In fact, this kind of thing is usually done either by plain clothes police or by middle class kids with Attention Deficit Disorder and a surge of testoterone. It gives police a ready excuse to use their organisation and equipment to break up legitimate and disciplined demonstrations. |
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| Subject: Re: Israeli Embassy in London Under Siege. Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:05 am | |
| - Hermes wrote:
- Unless one is absolutely authoritarian in one's outlook, one must conclude that there does exist a time or rather, a circumstance, when one is justified in attacking the police.
In a democratic society there is no time or circumstance when it is justifiable to attack the police, who act on behalf of and are empowered by the people, provided the police themselves are acting within the law. It is the height of arrogance and profoundly undemocratic for any individual or group of individuals to think they have the right to usurp the democratic will and decide what laws of that society they will or will not obey. In my opinion, any individual who behaves in a violent manner at a protest is no better that the thugs who ran amok in O’Connell Street last year and fully deserve to be treated in exactly the same way by the police and the courts. |
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| Subject: Re: Israeli Embassy in London Under Siege. Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:10 am | |
| - cactus flower wrote:
- Throwing a stick at riot police does not a revolution make. In fact, this kind of thing is usually done either by plain clothes police or by middle class kids with Attention Deficit Disorder and a surge of testoterone. It gives police a ready excuse to use their organisation and equipment to break up legitimate and disciplined demonstrations.
The Met, in fairness, were hands-off to a man. And the Met aren't my favourite people at the moment, considering their disgraceful politicisation and the Damien Green affair, but credit where credit's due... |
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| Subject: Re: Israeli Embassy in London Under Siege. Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:21 pm | |
| - tonys wrote:
- Hermes wrote:
- Unless one is absolutely authoritarian in one's outlook, one must conclude that there does exist a time or rather, a circumstance, when one is justified in attacking the police.
In a democratic society there is no time or circumstance when it is justifiable to attack the police, who act on behalf of and are empowered by the people, provided the police themselves are acting within the law. It is the height of arrogance and profoundly undemocratic for any individual or group of individuals to think they have the right to usurp the democratic will and decide what laws of that society they will or will not obey.
In my opinion, any individual who behaves in a violent manner at a protest is no better that the thugs who ran amok in O’Connell Street last year and fully deserve to be treated in exactly the same way by the police and the courts. I sort of agree with most of what you're saying. I too support the idea that the police should not be attacked so long as they conform to the law. And I agree too, that violence should not be the aim of anyone attending a peaceful protest. Police included. But as I've said here before, I absolutely reserve the right to defend myself. And I reserve that right regardless as to whether my attacker wears a uniform or not. |
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