Anticoalition wrote:

So, let me get this straight. We now have a private political party, with a private election platform, hiring a former public official, turned private security consultant, to run in a privately funded election campaign for public office?

What the hell is a "private election platfor"? Libertas is asking for the public to vote for their candidates in a public vote. Don't like the candidate, don't vote for them. Very simple.
And I'm not sure what you're on about when you say "privately funded election" could you clarify? Because as far as I am aware all elections are subject to funding rules and all candidates must and do abide by them, Libertas canididates won't be any different in this regard.

Saw your blog Cookie hardly any evidence presented in your defence except Decaln Ganley statements and we all know they are not good enough.
he is continuously contradicting Libertas staff and himself, and has a history of making strange statements at odds with reality and fact.

What methodology did O'Connell use to come up with his assessment?

We now have a 'political party', containing one candidate, but no platform or manifesto whatsoever.

In other words, the true motivations of the candidate and 'party' are being kept private. Otherwise we would have read them by now. They are currently busy trying to invent some popular sounding policies, that might get some traction, and still keep the door open for right-wing support.

Regardless of what SIPO say about the funding issue, it was still mostly Ganley's money. Whether you want to call it a loan, a donation or an investment, is important legally. But the bottom line either way is its a designer political party, originally funded by one private individual.

So, is O'Connell still an employee too, I wonder?

You can guess the answer to that we have been here before with Hunn and David Cochrane, Ganley siad they were "volunteers" and Nunn said they were employees of defence contractor Rivada.

No doubt he is now a "candidate" not an employee. However Cookie monster posting on P.Ie seems to know a bit about him. This is the guy all the liberats would have sent their reports to on posters on P.ie who came up with new info. I imagine IP addresses and other details were being supllied too.

I'd say Kevin has a fair old file on certain posters from here and formùally of P.ie.

It Ganley's paranoida something. He has to hire a security advisor to investigate the source of his own finacing and to ascertain the web of "conspiracy" that was directing questions towards Ganley and Libertas regarding their funding and their connections with neo cons and US militarey.

Surely Ganley knows who he is being funded by and which of the neo cons that he hangs out with were or were not interested in Libertas and its anti European Union agenda?
Surely Ganley knows where the est 800,000 he spenbt on the Lisbon campaign came from?
It was his lobby group just as it is now his political party.
So is it not fair to say that knowing that Ganley actiually needed a private investagator to do iother things?

This is why I have privately warned posters before about the info they post on p.ie. They have your IP, your password , an email address etc Therefore they can use your password if it is used for anything else egf your email account. Remeber that the site is owned by a Ganley employee David Cochrane. It is obvious that any poster who is anti Ganley is hunted on there but they are also giving up their privacy to spooks.

Frightened Albanian wrote:

No doubt he is now a "candidate" not an employee.

He is an employee who stated that " if Libertas would have me as a candidate, I would run.” That is in the Times article you quoted.

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However Cookie monster posting on P.Ie seems to know a bit about him.

Cookie knows a lot of things.

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This is the guy all the liberats would have sent their reports to on posters on P.ie who came up with new info. I imagine IP addresses and other details were being supllied too.

You imagine a lot of things, Frightened Albanian. Mr. O'Connell's time was used for more constructive things, not looking up info on mentally unstable whackjobs on the internet.

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He has to hire a security advisor to investigate the source of his own finacing

If you had actually read the article you would know that among other things Mr. O'Connell was hired to investiagate the sources of unfounded smears relating to Libertas funding leveled against Declan Ganley and Libertas. He was never required to investigate the sources of Libertas financing, no investigation is needed on that regard. Libertas's financing is all in line with the rules set out by the Standards in Public Office Commission.

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and to ascertain the web of "conspiracy" that was directing questions towards Ganley and Libertas regarding their funding and their connections with neo cons and US militarey.

There is no link between Libertas and neo-cons etc. Mr O'Connell's role in Libertas is clearly identified and explained in he Times article.

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Surely Ganley knows who he is being funded by and which of the neo cons that he hangs out with were or were not interested in Libertas and its anti European Union agenda?

Nonsense. As I said, Mr. O'Connell was not employed to investigate the sources of Libertas funding and there are no neo-cons nor any anti-European agenda behind Libertas.

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Surely Ganley knows where the est 800,000 he spenbt on the Lisbon campaign came from?

He does. he has never said that he doesn't.

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So is it not fair to say that knowing that Ganley actiually needed a private investagator to do iother things?

What?

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This is why I have privately warned posters before about the info they post on p.ie. They have your IP, your password , an email address etc Therefore they can use your password if it is used for anything else egf your email account. Remeber that the site is owned by a Ganley employee David Cochrane. It is obvious that any poster who is anti Ganley is hunted on there but they are also giving up their privacy to spooks.

That is an absolute load of nonsense. Tinfoil hat much?

“The First Annual [LIBERTAS*] Forum on Public Safety in Europe and North America raised strategic questions about the effective communication of information between Europe and North America. While technical constraints are reducing, the requirements of law enforcement and public safety professionals are falling behind the potential of the technology.”

- Kevin O’Connell, Deputy Director of Europol, the European Police Office

* Inserted by poster

So old Kevin is an old hand in Ganleyland, appearing for the Libertas securocrat sister think tank
and then working for Libertas.

Has Ganley managed to convince any no employees to run?

Anticoalition wrote:

“The First Annual (LIBERTAS) Forum on Public Safety in Europe and North America raised strategic questions about the effective communication of information between Europe and North America. While technical constraints are reducing, the requirements of law enforcement and public safety professionals are falling behind the potential of the technology.”

- Kevin O’Connell, Deputy Director of Europol, the European Police Office

If you are going to edit text and pass it off as a quote whatever credibility you may have had goes right out the window.

The General Director of State Police had a meeting of a senior level of Metropolitan Police of London

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On May 5, 2003 at the Ministry of Public Order it was held a meeting between a delegation of State Police, chaired by the General Director Bajram Ibraj and a delegation of senior level of Metropolitan Police of London, chaired by the Deputy Commissioner of this police Mr. Tarique Ghaffur and the Commander Kevin O’Connell. Both parties during this meeting shared the concern about the problems of organized crime which are sharp ones for both countries. In this context it is necessary to find effective manners of cooperation in order to strengthen further on the combat against organized crime and illegal trafficking.

The General Director of State Police, Mr. Ibraj assured his homologues about the desire and the full commitment of the Albanian party to strengthen the bilateral cooperation which has already entered in the right way. Right after the Pan European Conference of London in November of the year 2002 between the Albanian Police and the Police of London it has already started a concrete cooperation for the identification and the seizure of the most wanted persons in both countries.

\"Kevin O’Connell was educated at Campion School, Hornchurch, and the University of Durham. He also studied with the
University of Thames Valley for a Diploma in Management Studies and with Cambridge University for a Diploma in Criminology. He
began his police career as a PC in Southall and also served in Paddington, Hammersmith, Wandsworth and Hounslow.
http://www.mpa.gov.uk/news/press/2000/00-029.htm

Anticoalition wrote:

“The First Annual (LIBERTAS) Forum on Public Safety in Europe and North America raised strategic questions about the effective communication of information between Europe and North America. While technical constraints are reducing, the requirements of law enforcement and public safety professionals are falling behind the potential of the technology.”

- Kevin O’Connell, Deputy Director of Europol, the European Police Office

Were there not investigations in the US into the improper payment of various public officials to attend these beanos in Limerick?

Forum on Public Safety in Europe and North America
Moyne Park, Tuam, County Galway, Republic of Ireland
Ph: + 353 (0) 93 43900

http://jamesmcinerney.ie/2008/05/28/sweet-christmas-libertas-and-rivada-networks-have-the-same-phone-number/

I think the Libertas was added for clarity was it AC?
I note Cressida Dick was appointed the same day as he as a commander. She of the whacking Jean Charles de Menezes de fame.


Now that you are here with us Cookie what methodology did Kevin O'Connell use when investigating the alleged conspiracy against Ganley?
What info was passed from P.ie to the Libertas investigations?
What methods do Libertas use to counter the "conspiracy",
What proof did he get that there was a conspiracy?

Are Libertas using surveillance techniques against their detractors?
Is this not why a Met and EU spook/cop was hired?
Has O'Connell used his connections in the British securitry and intelligence community on Ganley's behalf?

Frightened Albanian wrote:

I think the Libertas was added for clarity was it AC?

Indeed it was Frightened. I have now clarified it even further.

Frightened Albanian wrote:

I think the Libertas was added for clarity was it AC?

It was added to attempt to pass off the Forum on Public Safety as having something to do with Libertas.

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I note Cressida Dick was appointed the same day as he as a commander. She of the whacking Jean Charles de Menezes de fame.

What the hell has that got to do with anything?

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Now that you are here with us Cookie what methodology did Kevin O'Connell use when investigating the alleged conspiracy against Ganley?

He is a well qualified and highly respected criminologist who has held high positions in both the London Met and Europol. If you're going to run headfirst into some pathetic attempt to smear him I suggest you stop there.

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What info was passed from P.ie to the Libertas investigations?

What makes you think any was? There was nothing passed from p.ie. P.ie wasn't in any way involved.

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What methods do Libertas use to counter the "conspiracy",
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They investigate the sources of the smears. That much is obvious from the Times artice.

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What proof did he get that there was a conspiracy?

Lots.

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Are Libertas using surveillance techniques against their detractors?

No.

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Is this not why a Met and EU spook/cop was hired?

S apook is a colloquial term for a spy. Kevin O'Connell is not a spy. He was hired to vet potential condidates and to look into the sources of smears made against Libertas and Declan Ganley.

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Has O'Connell used his connections in the British securitry and intelligence community on Ganley's behalf?

No.

Nothing to do with Libertas?

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Forum on Public Safety in Europe and North America
Moyne Park, Tuam, County Galway, Republic of Ireland
Ph: + 353 (0) 93 43900

http://jamesmcinerney.ie/2008/05/28/sweet-christmas-libertas-and-rivada-networks-have-the-same-phone-number/

cactus flower wrote:

Anticoalition wrote:

“The First Annual (LIBERTAS) Forum on Public Safety in Europe and North America raised strategic questions about the effective communication of information between Europe and North America. While technical constraints are reducing, the requirements of law enforcement and public safety professionals are falling behind the potential of the technology.”

- Kevin O’Connell, Deputy Director of Europol, the European Police Office

Were there not investigations in the US into the improper payment of various public officials to attend these beanos in Limerick?

yes see USA Today.

• Two Defense Department homeland defense officials attended a
conference in Limerick, Ireland, that was sponsored by Rivada Networks,
a defense contractor that picked up the $4,200 tab

plus of interest, as we have sen befor eLibertas hacks claim that Rivada is not really a military defence contractor however as we know weapons systems today often have sophisticated communication packages attached and necessary for operation and deployment. EG drones is an essential part of a modern artillary battery.
They need to communicate images to gunb aimers etc.
A gogod example is the below which untilise Rivada technology

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UNITED STATES AIR FORCE
Committee Staff Procurement Backup Book
FY 2008 Global War on Terror Budget Amendment
September 2007
AIRCRAFT PROCUREMENT, VOL I & VOL II; PROCUREMENT OF
AMMUNITION; MISSILE PROCUREMENT; OTHER PROCUREMENT; AND RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT AND EVALUATION (RDT&E) OPR: SAF/FMB

Here are some quotes from House of Lords' inquiry into "The Hague Programme"

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Please be informed that this statement is founded on the perspective of Europol's area of activities as the central EU law enforcement authority.

The Europol Convention furthermore stipulates that Europol's position with regard to corporate governance issues, such as the above mentioned business plans, has to be defined by the EU Member States in the format of the Europol Management Board as the competent policy decision-making body. The "Europol Five Year Business Plan 2006-2010" and the "Europol Work Programme 2006" will therefore be discussed by EU Member States at the forthcoming Europol Management Board Meeting to take place in The Hague on 2-3 February 2005.

To give the Select Committee on the EU—Sub-Committee F (Home Affairs) of the House of Lords however a general assessment
of Europol in relation to "The Hague Programme" I would like to inform you that Europol considers the following elements
to be crucial for the further development of an area of freedom, justice and security in the EU:

— The development of the Organised Crime Threat Assessment (OCTA) by Europol (the forthcoming EU Presidency of the United Kingdom has agreed to support Europol with this task assigned by the European Council during the Presidency term in the second half of 2005)

— Concerted actions both at EU level and at national level between the competent law enforcement authorities, especially police, customs and border guards including institutions like the EU Joint Situation Centre (SitCen) and Eurojust (so far,Europol has established close contacts especially with Eurojust)

— The development of a coherent approach of the Information Systems relevant in the Justice and Home Affairs domain including the Europol Information System
— The transition of the legal framework of the Europol Convention into European law under the European Constitution.

Kevin O'Connell
Deputy Director of Europol
1 February 2005

This is as close to a Libertas election platform as we can get

Frightened Albanian wrote:

cactus flower wrote:

Anticoalition wrote:

“The First Annual (LIBERTAS) Forum on Public Safety in Europe and North America raised strategic questions about the effective communication of information between Europe and North America. While technical constraints are reducing, the requirements of law enforcement and public safety professionals are falling behind the potential of the technology.”

- Kevin O’Connell, Deputy Director of Europol, the European Police Office

Were there not investigations in the US into the improper payment of various public officials to attend these beanos in Limerick?

yes see USA Today.

• Two Defense Department homeland defense officials attended a
conference in Limerick, Ireland, that was sponsored by Rivada Networks,
a defense contractor that picked up the $4,200 tab

No, there was no allegation of "improper payment", Cactus Flower.

Note from the USA Today article:

"For executive branch officials, federal rules say corporate-funded trips are permitted as long as they don't "cause a reasonable person … to question the integrity of agency programs or operations."

Each of the trips examined by USA TODAY was deemed to have met that standard, agency spokesmen said."

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plus of interest, as we have sen befor eLibertas hacks claim that Rivada is not really a military defence contractor however as we know weapons systems today often have sophisticated communication packages attached and necessary for operation and deployment. EG drones is an essential part of a modern artillary battery.
They need to communicate images to gunb aimers etc.

gnub aimers?

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A gogod example is the below which

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UNITED STATES AIR FORCE
Committee Staff Procurement Backup Book
FY 2008 Global War on Terror Budget Amendment
September 2007
AIRCRAFT PROCUREMENT, VOL I & VOL II; PROCUREMENT OF
AMMUNITION; MISSILE PROCUREMENT; OTHER PROCUREMENT; AND RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT AND EVALUATION (RDT&E) OPR: SAF/FMB

Can you explain how what you just quoted will "utalise Rivada Technology" please?

Anticoalition wrote:

House of Lords' inquiry into "The Hague Programme"

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Please be informed that this statement is founded
on the perspective of Europol's area of activities as the central
EU law enforcement authority.

The Europol Convention furthermore stipulates
that Europol's position with regard to corporate governance issues,
such as the above mentioned business plans, has to be defined
by the EU Member States in the format of the Europol Management
Board as the competent policy decision-making body. The "Europol
Five Year Business Plan 2006-2010" and the "Europol
Work Programme 2006" will therefore be discussed by EU Member
States at the forthcoming Europol Management Board Meeting to
take place in The Hague on 2-3 February 2005.

To give the Select Committee on the EU—Sub-Committee
F (Home Affairs) of the House of Lords however a general assessment
of Europol in relation to "The Hague Programme" I would
like to inform you that Europol considers the following elements
to be crucial for the further development of an area of freedom,
justice and security in the EU:

— The development of the Organised
Crime Threat Assessment (OCTA) by Europol (the forthcoming EU
Presidency of the United Kingdom has agreed to support Europol
with this task assigned by the European Council during the Presidency
term in the second half of 2005)

— Concerted actions both at EU level
and at national level between the competent law enforcement authorities,
especially police, customs and border guards including institutions
like the EU Joint Situation Centre (SitCen) and Eurojust (so far,
Europol has established close contacts especially with Eurojust)

— The development of a coherent approach
of the Information Systems relevant in the Justice and Home Affairs
domain including the Europol Information System

— The transition of the legal framework
of the Europol Convention into European law under the European
Constitution.

Kevin O'Connell

Deputy Director of Europol


1 February 2005

What has that got to do with anything?

cactus flower wrote:

Nothing to do with Libertas?

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Forum on Public Safety in Europe and North America
Moyne Park, Tuam, County Galway, Republic of Ireland
Ph: + 353 (0) 93 43900

http://jamesmcinerney.ie/2008/05/28/sweet-christmas-libertas-and-rivada-networks-have-the-same-phone-number/

Moyne Park is Ganley's home.

The Forum on Public Safety in Europe and North America was... a forum on Public Safety on Europe and North America.

Libertas is a pan-European political party focused on increasing democracy, accountability and transparency in the EU.

The Forum on Public Safety has/had nothing to do with Libertas.

USA Today discussed the ethics of this type of lobbying:

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Those trips and more than 100 others taken from April 2006 to March 2007 would be out of bounds for members of Congress under the recently passed ethics bill, because they lasted more than one day and were paid for by companies or groups that employ lobbyists. The travel restrictions in the ethics bill, which awaits President Bush's signature, don't apply to the other branches of government.

For executive branch officials, federal rules say corporate-funded trips are permitted as long as they don't "cause a reasonable person … to question the integrity of agency programs or operations."

Each of the trips examined by USA TODAY was deemed to have met that standard, agency spokesmen said.

"Corporations and trade associations want to pay for these trips for a reason, and that is to have face time with the regulators and government officials," said Bill Hogan, director of investigative projects for the Center for Public Integrity, a non-partisan watchdog group. "That often runs contrary to the public interest."

USA Today noted that most trips were to "sunny destinations"

Limerick is far from sunny.

and once again:

"Each of the trips examined by USA TODAY was deemed to have met that standard, agency spokesmen said."

There is a huge problem in the EU with such privatisation owing really to the lack of funding which the Commission has at its disposal. Owing to the relatively limited resources they must rely on "expert" opinions from the various lobby groups and then seek to employ a balancing act between these competing points of view. Of course the only way to overcome that is with an increased budget for the Union, one which would be greeted with opposition.

The same USA Today article, 'Trips paid by firms officials regulate', also says:

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Those trips and more than 100 others taken from April 2006 to March 2007 would be out of bounds for members of Congress under the recently passed ethics bill, because they lasted more than one day and were paid for by companies or groups that employ lobbyists. The travel restrictions in the ethics bill, which awaits President Bush's signature, don't apply to the other branches of government."