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cookiemonster wrote:

cactus flower wrote:: Business is cut throat, and Ganley has chosen to operate in some of the world's roughest and most controversial business environments. That would make him a type of an asset stripper or oligarch.

It would make him an asset stripper? Can you point to any example of him asset stripping a company he's owned? Oligarch and Asset stripper are not synonymous either, btw.

Ahem!
Cookie here is a quote from the bold Declan Ganley

Quote :: 'There has been a wariness on the part of big investors to weigh in to
these areas. My talent is spotting opportunities and vacuuming up the
assets.'

"Investor's Albanian fight." The European,March 13, 1997

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Assett stripping ? no not at all "vacuuming up the
assets" is Declan's self proclaimed talent.
Note

Quote :: A
YOUNG Irish entrepreneur is trying to buy Dollars 350 million worth of
privatisation vouchers in Albania - undeterred by the civil unrest in
the country. The bid represents almost half the total book value the
Albanian government has put on the assets it wants to privatise.

here he is trying to buy 350 mil of assets this in in Albania and at the time of Anglo Adriatic indicating either leverage or investment? or what?

Quote :: Declan
Ganley, a 28-year-old Irishman, is trying to gather up $ 540 million
worth of privatization vouchers in Albania -- half the book value of
assets that the government wants to sell. Sixty thousand Albanians have
traded their vouchers for shares in Ganley's Anglo Adriatic investment fund.The San Francisco Chronicle MARCH 26, 1997, WEDNESDAY, FINAL EDITION NOTES FROM HERE AND THERE

How amounts inflate over only a week.
The SF Chronicle concludes

Quote :: His talent,
he says, is ''spotting opportunities and vacuuming out the assets.''
When the civil strife ends in Albania, maybe he'll own it.

The European

Quote :: When the fighting stops in Albania, he hopes to be well on the way to completing a coup of his own.

Sorry Cookie but........... how many people did he employ exactly? 20? 50? 100?

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Why don't you tell me? And while you're at it why don't you tell me what this has to do with the privatisation of Irish politics?

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You were discussing asset striping on the last page Cookie. You seemed to suggest that Cactus Flower was talking about asset striping in a "lefty" sense rather than business. I am providing you with the words of your master on asset striping. "Vacuuming up" assets is his talent his says.

And it has everything to do with the privatisation of Irish politics. As Declan Ganley is engaged in just that we would to know what he is up to, where he is coming from and more importantly what exactly has he got up to in the past taht we should take lessons from.

He is entering politics as CEO of Libertas Inc., self appointed and self proclaimed , so whose assets is he after ?

When did the philanthropy begin? He says he is going to save us from our bad choices . So whose assets is he after now as vacuuming assets is his real talent he says.

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Frightened Albanian wrote:: You were discussing asset striping on the last page Cookie. You seemed to suggest that Catus flower was talking about asset striping in a "lefty" sense rather than business. I am providing you with the words of your master on asset striping. "Vacuuming up" assets is his talent his says.

And a company he has asset stripped would be...?

Quote :: And it has everything to do with the privatisation of Irish politics. As Declan Ganley is engaged in just taht we would to know what he is up to, where he is coming from and more importantly what exactly has he got up to in the past taht we should take lessons from.

What has that got to do with the privatisation of Irish politics?

Quote :: He is entering politics as CEO of Libertas Inc., self appointed and self proclaimed , so whose assets is he after ?

What?

Quote :: When did the philanthropy? He says he is going to save us from our bad choices . So whose assets is he after now as vacuuling assets is his real talent he says.

And what's that in english? Coherent sentences please. Think before you type, infact think at all and we're off to a good start.

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I think we need anti coalition to clarify the privatisation and business were part of whza he was getting at starting this
thread
. The english

When did the philanthropy begin? He says he is going to save us
from our bad choices . vacuuming
assets is his real talent he says.

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Frightened Albanian wrote:: I think we need anti coalition to clarify the privatisation and business were part of whza he was getting at starting this
thread
. The english

When did the philanthropy begin? He says he is going to save us
from our bad choices . vacuuming
assets is his real talent he says.

Exactly. A general vacuuming around the place, and every once in a while he strikes lucky. What's the bad choices thing. There is a brilliant piece of writing on the website. I'll go and find it.

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right...

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cookiemonster wrote:: right...

Space the final frontier......... to boldly go where no man has gone before...;;;;;;;;;; to seek new lands and new civilisation.............stardate 2009 logbook Starbus Libertas...............I'm choked up with Euro pride reading that

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Quote :: Libertas stands for individual freedom, democracy, and a culture embracing life.

Commune life?

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I don't know what you are on about now, I suspect you don't either.

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Frightened Albanian wrote:

Quote :: Libertas stands for individual freedom, democracy, and a culture embracing life.

Commune life?

I thought it was a nod to Coir.

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What the hell is this thread about anyway, or is it nothing but yet another get Ganley thread, albeit bad disgusied.

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cookiemonster wrote:: What the hell is this thread about anyway, or is it nothing but yet another get Ganley thread, albeit bad disgusied.

It must seem that everyone is out to "get Ganley". The right wing don't like him (well, some of them) because he's treading on their turf, the left wing don't like him because he's right wing. Then there are the centrists who don't like him because they perceive Libertas as undemocratic and corporate in character ...

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cactus flower wrote:

Frightened Albanian wrote:

Quote :: Libertas stands for individual freedom, democracy, and a culture embracing life.

Commune life?

I thought it was a nod to Coir.

Sorry I was trying to be optimistic Cactus then you go and run it on me ,
ok back to earth.

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cactus flower wrote:

cookiemonster wrote:: What the hell is this thread about anyway, or is it nothing but yet another get Ganley thread, albeit bad disgusied.

It must seem that everyone is out to "get Ganley". The right wing don't like him (well, some of them) because he's treading on their turf, the left wing don't like him because he's right wing. Then there are the centrists who don't like him because they perceive Libertas as undemocratic and corporate in character ...

What has that got to do with the privatisation of Irish politics? Something which, by the way, I don't see a s possible. In a democracy the power rests with the people. Regardless of how much money an organisation has it's nigh on impossible for politics (by which I mean the political institutions) to be bought in party structure. You don't like what is on offer you don't give your vote.

Precicely why Ganley and Libertas are the sole and exclusive topic of this thread (putting aside the fact that this IS yet another "Get Ganley" thread) is beyond me as Libertas's stated aim and goal is pan-European and also not focused on national politics.

You're also, again, mixing up two things, Cactus flower, that is Ganley and Libertas are different. They are not the same and they do not equal eachother. But even putting that aside for a moment, it is perfectly possible and concievable that Libertas candidates will get lots of support despite your concieved universla dislike of Ganley. Just take a look at national parliaments around the globe, all politics is local as they say and if there is a good candidate on offer they are a good candidate regardless of who leads their party.

But of course I don't believe that will be an issue at all. All this amateurish, storm in a tea cup, build-your-own-right-wing-monster, nonsense is localised to a margin of ineffective nutjobs with their own benign political aims who will be dismissed by all but the most irrational tinfoil hat hearing numpties.

You can duck and weave through threads all you want, bouncing off the Google wonderboy fabricating Monster Ganley and his evil right wing party all you want but it reprensents nothing but a pathetic attempt to smear and damage a good man with no other basis than your rigid unfounded irrational fear of anything but your own opinions. If you want to remain that blinkered, biased and parochial in your politics then so be it, but don't expect me or anybody else with half a brain to put up with that nonsense, regardless of what your, frightened Albanian, Anticoalition or whoever tries to dress it up as. The very fact that you lot feel the need to shroud your pathetic smears in some veil of legitimacy speaks volumes for you character.

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cookiemonster wrote:: What the hell is this thread about anyway, or is it nothing but yet another get Ganley thread, albeit bad disgusied.

I'm here so you are here that seems to be how it works , complain less you obviously have some reason to hang around.
cookie with such optimism why are you always so irked ? Ganely and Libertas a=re one in the same he owns the party i.E. privatisation of politics

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Frightened Albanian wrote:

cookiemonster wrote:: What the hell is this thread about anyway, or is it nothing but yet another get Ganley thread, albeit bad disgusied.

I'm here so you are here that seems to be how it works , complain less you obviously have some reason to hang around.
cookie with such optimism why are you always so irked ? Ganely and Libertas a=re one in the same he owns the party i.E. privatisation of politics

Serioulsy, will you please stop and think before you post. I don't have a clue what you are trying to say!

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seems clear you are on this thread because ganley is being discussed by peoiple who find him suspicious and given your optimism why are you marking us so hard and Ganley =Libertas =Ganley

Dysonman

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Ganley denies rift in Libertas
irish times today

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Frightened Albanian wrote:: seems clear you are on this thread because ganley is being discussed by peoiple who find him suspicious

He's not being discussed. He's being smeared, poorly, but smeared none the less.

Quote :: and given your optimism why are you marking us so hard

Because I care.

Quote :: and Ganley =Libertas = Ganley

Nonsense.

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Frightened Albanian wrote:: Ganley denies rift in Libertas
irish times today

what has that got to do with the privatisation of irish politics?

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Is O'Toole really up to that? I wonder what Kevbar will make of that story.

and cokkkie note that Declan seems to favour the pr man over the hench men and women

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Frightened Albanian wrote:: Is O'Toole really up to that? I wonder what Kevbar will make of that story.

and cokkkie note that Declan seems to favour the pr man over the hench men and women

What has that got to do with the privatisation of Irish politics?

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