Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:56 am
Is Obama making a few poor nominations - of tax evaders?
Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) calls upon President Obama to withdraw his nomination of Tom Daschle for health and human services secretary and says he will vote against Daschle's confirmation (Feb. 3, 2009).
Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Wed Feb 04, 2009 5:46 am
On the train today was mulling over politicians generally and thinking what would it take to get an honest set up?
You can't rely on the voters as many of them are to stupid or are so ill informer that they have not the slightest idea what they are voting for and why. Squire here often wonders about the automatic right to vote, but put that aside as all would still be well if those standing were honest and wished to serve a wider good.
Clearly many politicians are not there to serve any wider good and clearly some sections of the population are grossly over represented and some interests get more attention than others. If you are a Bank you must be saved, but if you grow organic potatoes you can be allowed to go to hell.
So I was wondering if we need something akin to a priests vow of chastity before you are allowed to enter that profession. Should politicians have to take a vow of poverty? You can still have status and free access to University for children and all sorts of fringe benefits to ensure that children do not suffer and you can live a fulfilling life in a council house in Dagenham.
Why isn't there more of an outcry and pressure to clean up politics? At the very least corrupt politicians should be regarded as being guilty of treason.
Suppose will never change as money is power and power will always influence.
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Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:06 pm
First we have protectionist Obama and now they're saying he might start witholding intelligence information from Britain... who are pretty much their only ally in Europe at this stage.
I wonder how long it will take the shit to hit the fan with him.
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Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:23 pm
Squire wrote:
On the train today was mulling over politicians generally and thinking what would it take to get an honest set up?
You can't rely on the voters as many of them are to stupid or are so ill informer that they have not the slightest idea what they are voting for and why. Squire here often wonders about the automatic right to vote, but put that aside as all would still be well if those standing were honest and wished to serve a wider good.
Clearly many politicians are not there to serve any wider good and clearly some sections of the population are grossly over represented and some interests get more attention than others. If you are a Bank you must be saved, but if you grow organic potatoes you can be allowed to go to hell.
So I was wondering if we need something akin to a priests vow of chastity before you are allowed to enter that profession. Should politicians have to take a vow of poverty? You can still have status and free access to University for children and all sorts of fringe benefits to ensure that children do not suffer and you can live a fulfilling life in a council house in Dagenham.
Why isn't there more of an outcry and pressure to clean up politics? At the very least corrupt politicians should be regarded as being guilty of treason.
Suppose will never change as money is power and power will always influence.
If politician's remuneration was restricted to the average wage, it would be no harm.
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Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:19 am
cactus flower wrote:
If politician's remuneration was restricted to the average wage, it would be no harm.
No that will not work, many could easily devote myself to politics (and do) knowing that those remunerations are insignificant compared to other interests elsewhere. No I think it would need to be something a lot more rigorous and formal. A job with high esteem and fringe benefits. A frugal esthetic type of existence, where respect is earned by example.
johnfás wrote:
First we have protectionist Obama and now they're saying he might start witholding intelligence information from Britain... who are pretty much their only ally in Europe at this stage.
I wonder how long it will take the shit to hit the fan with him.
It won't take long, the interference in the British Court case is not clever at all. Let's face it there is less chance of getting sensitive information out of London than just about anywhere else in the civilised world. In fact it is a double error as it publicises the possibility that there may be sensitive material. I see a need to invite Robert and Maria Tuttle to a soirée in Lancaster House
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Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:53 am
The continuing tale of ordinary Americans by ordinary Americans commenting on their new Administration and On the Great Depression Part II. In this episode the man is commenting on the controversial "buy American" suggestion (?) by the Obaman economists; on the fact that a bunch of Obama's Administration have evaded tax and on the stimulus package which will probably go to rich Wall Street bankers.
***Warning: Loud and Explicit Language - A lot of it. ***
"Buy American" weakened, Daschle out, taxes plague Obama's team, hypocrisy reigns, Geithner has plan
Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:04 am
This guy is an actor. I don't believe him. Equity card holder.
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Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:17 am
Just today another cabinet nominee has had her husband shown to be a tax-evader. That makes 4 and of course Richardson for 5.
As I predicted Obama will be a disastor of historical proportion. He is today warning of catastrophe. No more talk of hope and change.
All the donkeys this guy suckered, what a laugh and we less than 20 days into this nit-wits term
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Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:57 pm
Nonfarm payroll employment fell sharply in January (-598,000) and the unem- ployment rate rose from 7.2 to 7.6 percent, the Bureau of Labor Statistics of the U.S. Department of Labor reported today. Payroll employment has declined by 3.6 million since the start of the recession in December 2007; about one- half of this decline occurred in the past 3 months. In January, job losses were large and widespread across nearly all major industry sectors.
Not good reading here
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Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:14 pm
Obama today says he is tired. Well not as tired of him as millions of his doopy followers have become already.
What a lightweight.
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Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Sun Feb 08, 2009 1:50 am
youngdan wrote:
Obama today says he is tired. Well not as tired of him as millions of his doopy followers have become already.
What a lightweight.
Well, at least he hasn't appeared on national TV unshaven yet ;-)
Poor man, they're all out of their depth, and YD, you may be right, but in defence of Obama he at least did not create the sh!t bath he's swimming in. Unlike Brown or Cowen, who were Ministers of Finance thru the boom years.
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Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Sun Feb 08, 2009 12:27 pm
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youngdan wrote:
Obama today says he is tired. Well not as tired of him as millions of his doopy followers have become already.
What a lightweight.
Well, at least he hasn't appeared on national TV unshaven yet ;-)
Poor man, they're all out of their depth, and YD, you may be right, but in defence of Obama he at least did not create the sh!t bath he's swimming in. Unlike Brown or Cowen, who were Ministers of Finance thru the boom years.
Never understate the massive contribution which the neo-liberalist economic agenda of Harney and McCreevy, a de facto PD, made towards the septic tank economy Ireland is now enduring. In other words, never let these shits off the hook. As a reminder of the chronic conflict of interest surrounding Harney, here is the link is to the story of how she opened a private health clinic belonging to Ulick McEvaddy. Harney, together with McCreevy, received hospitality from McEvaddy and his brother at their villa in the south of France. The McEvaddy brothers had no commercial interest in health until AFTER Harney became Health Minister. The entire story stinks.
In a normal country, she'd have been driven from office long ago.
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Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:32 pm
Obama's trillion dollar question on Capitol Hill
President Barack Obama's struggle to push an economic stimulus bill through Congress may seem easy compared to what he'll encounter when he returns to Capitol Hill for additional funds to rescue the banking system.
Obama will likely need to ask Congress for more money to recapitalise banks, as much as $1 trillion on top of the roughly $300bn remaining in the current Troubled Asset Relief Programme, according to an estimate by former Federal Reserve economist Ward McCarthy. That will be an even tougher sell for the new president than the stimulus plan, which is headed for a Senate vote this week after passing the House with no Republican support.
That package, at least $780bn of spending and tax cuts aimed at boosting consumer demand and creating jobs, is just a part of what it will take to pull the economy out of the 14- month-old recession. The stimulus will be effective only if credit markets begin to function again.
Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:54 pm
The problem with the cartoon below is it assumes he actually cares.
Remember this is a man who made a career out of voting 'here'. Decisiveness, clarity and leadership maybe thin on the ground.
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Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:43 pm
He is beyond a joke. Everything is doom and gloom and a catastrophe if a trillion is not spent. No more talk of hope and Yes We Can for the dingbats who were crying with excitment on election night.
He is exactly as I predicted. It was easy to predict as I have seen his clone Deval Patrick here in Massachusetts. He was only in TWO DAYS when he was a joke after getting an expensive Cadillac Coupe deVille instead of the crown vic every other governor had. Now every body is calling him Deville Patrick.
Not to worry, the dingbats are going to get what they deserve now. At least those on this site who thought he was a Savior has copped themselves on and their silence is music to my ears.
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Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:20 pm
youngdan wrote:
He is beyond a joke. Everything is doom and gloom and a catastrophe if a trillion is not spent. No more talk of hope and Yes We Can for the dingbats who were crying with excitment on election night.
He is exactly as I predicted. It was easy to predict as I have seen his clone Deval Patrick here in Massachusetts. He was only in TWO DAYS when he was a joke after getting an expensive Cadillac Coupe deVille instead of the crown vic every other governor had. Now every body is calling him Deville Patrick.
Not to worry, the dingbats are going to get what they deserve now. At least those on this site who thought he was a Savior has copped themselves on and their silence is music to my ears.
Have you investigated the possibility that you have gone deaf Dan.
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Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:17 pm
Maybe I have. Blind too if I am waiting for anyone to write that Obama is clearly not able to handle the job. The job is above his pay grade as he would say himself. Today he knocked his skull on the door of the helicopter. Even Bush knew enough to lower his head getting into a chopper.
The other day Obama tried to walk though the window of the White Horse.
Hope and Change.
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Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:23 pm
What's the story with the stimulation package and the Bond stuff tomorrow so youngdan - any news ?
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Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:29 pm
It will most likely pass and the bond prices are modereatly lower today. Bond auctions are taking place every day through Thursday.
The final bill will be the combination of house and senate versions as explained before and could be a week away from final voting
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Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:51 pm
I ain't saying Obama can walk on water, but he does seem marginally more with it than Bush. I admit that this is not setting the bar very high at all.
However, I am happy that he has tried to close Gitmo and I am just as happy he's trying to cap bank pay. I am less happy that he has not totally rescinded the wiretapping laws and that he is not doing more to prosecute the practitioners of "extraordinary rendition"..New Speak for torture.
I'm not sure about the stimulus package... he'd have been better off going through Wall Street with a fine tooth comb and industrial quantities of ExLax first. How can they decide what to spend when the liabilities are unknown??
Jury still out. However, I loathed Bush, so he's going to have to work really hard to achieve less than dubya in my eyes. On the plus side, low expectations mean one is seldom disappointed. On the downside, though, I doubt he'll be as good as Clinton was
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Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:07 am
He will be just as bad as Clinton was because every single Clinton thief is in,From Larry Summers to Hillary herself. Same team.
Closing Gitmo make zero difference to anything as there is nobody worried about going to Gitmo. They are worried about going to Egypt to be tortured and killed
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Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:26 am
YD, Clinton ran a surplus. Bush and co are the thieves (from the US taxpayer) on that logic, I would have thought. I will grant you that Slick Willy had a few issues keepin certain parts of his anatomy in his trousers however.
But which sort of dishonesty would you prefer?? Philandering, or wrecking the economy and the environment??
seems like an easy choice to me!!
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Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:15 am
Only by including social security can some claim he ran a surplice. The closest it came was about 56 billion which compares to what came later was pratically thrift.
The economic situation is kaput and has been since the recession of 1991. That recession should have been allowed to develope into a depression as nature dictated but now it is collapse instead. Greenspan did this by the interest rate carry trade but that is beyond this thread.
Bush's term has seen thievery of a grand scale and that is why people wanted change. They refuted the bailouts and elected Obama.
Guess what. The bailouts are even bigger and the country is literly a matter of days from disintegrating.
The Titanic is going down and Obama is Skipper.
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Subject: Re: The Obama Administration / State of the Union Address Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:22 am
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... the country is literly a matter of days from disintegrating.
The Titanic is going down and Obama is Skipper.
Jaysus Dan, throw us some scraps of hope. I haven't stocked up on the tinned food yet.
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