Subject: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:43 am
Speaking of poofs, four of them have suddenly no jobs coming up to Christmas!
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Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:46 am
Oh dear.
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Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:47 am
cactus flower wrote:
Oh dear.
And the piano's going spare too!
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Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:50 am
Shucks. Someone should have told EVM to hold off on buying his - he could have gotten a bargain...
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Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:52 am
Kate P wrote:
Shucks. Someone should have told EVM to hold off on buying his - he could have gotten a bargain...
Well yeah, he could've rented it for the next three months for literally pennies!
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Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:59 am
And he would have had his choice of pouffe to go along with it.
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Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:59 am
Personally I found Woss a bit Wacist.
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Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:07 am
cactus flower wrote:
Personally I found Woss a bit Wacist.
As opposed to Andrew Sachs' sympathetic portrayal of a Spaniard in Fawlty Towers?
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Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:08 am
Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
Personally I found Woss a bit Wacist.
As opposed to Andrew Sachs' sympathetic portrayal of a Spaniard in Fawlty Towers?
I may be wrong, but I feel Manuel would have worked just as well as a character if he came from Essex.
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Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:14 am
But he suffered for his art....
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Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:14 am
cactus flower wrote:
Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
Personally I found Woss a bit Wacist.
As opposed to Andrew Sachs' sympathetic portrayal of a Spaniard in Fawlty Towers?
I may be wrong, but I feel Manuel would have worked just as well as a character if he came from Essex.
Perhaps, but I still think Brand and Ross should've been left alone. Russell Brand is a messer and Ross is the subject of a witch-hunt by jealous journos. Both of them are fine television personalities and when an awful lot more important things are going on, this whole fuss is quite silly.
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Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:16 am
There was some discussion about this on the radio this evening. I believe there had been two complaints - one from Andrew Sachs himself - until the papers ran with it. 30,000 last count.
Is it begrudgery?
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Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:18 am
Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
Personally I found Woss a bit Wacist.
As opposed to Andrew Sachs' sympathetic portrayal of a Spaniard in Fawlty Towers?
I may be wrong, but I feel Manuel would have worked just as well as a character if he came from Essex.
Perhaps, but I still think Brand and Ross should've been left alone. Russell Brand is a messer and Ross is the subject of a witch-hunt by jealous journos. Both of them are fine television personalities and when an awful lot more important things are going on, this whole fuss is quite silly.
I find the capitulation of the BBC to the tabloid press on this disgraceful. I don't agree with what they did to Mr. Sachs, who is nearly 80, but the BBC reaction will hit legitimate satire and comment.
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Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:22 am
Kate P wrote:
Is it begrudgery?
Oh it is, ever since the news of Jonathan Ross' £18 million pay deal came out, he was a target for certain quarters of the media.
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Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:33 am
Have to say I thought it was a bit tough on Ross and particularly so on the Controller of BBC Radio 2. That said, the BBC does still have a policy of heads rolling at the top which is commendable. Ross was a guest on Brand's show so I think the responsibility should have fallen with Brand. I have to say I don't like his media persona - Brand that is.
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Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:54 pm
Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
Personally I found Woss a bit Wacist.
As opposed to Andrew Sachs' sympathetic portrayal of a Spaniard in Fawlty Towers?
I may be wrong, but I feel Manuel would have worked just as well as a character if he came from Essex.
Perhaps, but I still think Brand and Ross should've been left alone. Russell Brand is a messer and Ross is the subject of a witch-hunt by jealous journos. Both of them are fine television personalities and when an awful lot more important things are going on, this whole fuss is quite silly.
Russell Brand is a total tool. Woss is entertaining enough but his show is pretty repetitive. The hysteria in the press is laughable though. What a bunch of sanctimonious tossers. They`d be the first to print somebody else`s private life. Ross and Brand should have apologised and made a large donation to a charity of Sach`s choice. It should have been left at that.
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Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:01 pm
This story was totally overcooked. It says something about news values that the Ross/Brand 'scandal' was on the front page of most of the UK dailies last week. Jokes that are in poor taste should first and foremost be funny. This prank wasn't funny, it was childish and crap. For that, they should have apologised but it should have been left there. Editors aren't exactly hungry for copy at the moment so it is interesting that this turned into such a witchhunt.
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Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:21 pm
I've read "My Bookie Wook" - Russell Brand's biography, and he is a much more sympathetic character on the page than on the box. He has been a heavy drug user and has a psychological condition. Throughout history, the court jester has been an iffy, risk-taking character, has operated along the margins, and has sometimes (literally) lost his head.
The BBC could have handled this by issuing a prompt corporate apology and given Brand and Ross time to consider whether to apologise or go.
There seems to be a reflex going on to pull back from the edge, and to crush the zany butterfly. The ruling class must be feeling vulnerable, in these times of change.
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Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:13 pm
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The ruling class must be feeling vulnerable, in these times of change.
What, these days when we are supposed to accept gross obscenity as being meritorious?
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Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:16 pm
johnfás wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
The ruling class must be feeling vulnerable, in these times of change.
What, these days when we are supposed to accept gross obscenity as being meritorious?
If you had read my posts on this thread you would know that that isn't my view.
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Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:21 pm
Your comments on 'the ruling class' seem at the very least misplaced then. I don't see how chastising presenters for overstepping the mark to lewd personalised remarks which have virtually nothing to do with anything will hit legitimate satire. Nor do I see how this has anything to do with the so called 'ruling class'. Which of course is also somewhat of a bizarre statement - who is this ruling class, the BBC hierarchy? And what are they feeling vulnerable about?
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Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sun Nov 02, 2008 8:39 pm
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Your comments on 'the ruling class' seem at the very least misplaced then. I don't see how chastising presenters for overstepping the mark to lewd personalised remarks which have virtually nothing to do with anything will hit legitimate satire. Nor do I see how this has anything to do with the so called 'ruling class'. Which of course is also somewhat of a bizarre statement - who is this ruling class, the BBC hierarchy? And what are they feeling vulnerable about?
All good questions. I'm disgusted by the way Brand, who is clearly not altogether in control of his words and actions, is used (even though absurdly overpaid) by the BBC in its attempts to stay current. John Waters wrote well about this today in the Indo. Ross is worse, as he doesn't have that excuse. If you have every seen him interview an Irish person you will know the kind of infantile prejudices he can exhibit. Personally I don't like him. Far from this being an issue of the BBC not chastising them, they were acting to form and doing what they are paid to do. So what "went wrong"? A bit like our Gov with the over 70s, they picked entirely the wrong target. Then, the Mail on Sunday, a far right wing paper, that day in day out invades people's private lives and humiliates them, decided to make a national crusade out of it. It ended with national hysteria and the BBC wielding the axe and mustering the full rigmarole of enquiries and reports. I have worked for them in the past and seen them in "portcullis down" mode. It is my predication that legitimate satire will be difficult ground for the next year or so, and that comedians will have to be very careful about what they say.
The BBC is the state broadcaster in Britain, and is far less culturally independent of government than RTE is here.
I would also suggest that the BBC might think about dope testing its presenters, if they don't want this kind of thing happening regularly.
Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sun Nov 02, 2008 9:15 pm
cactus flower wrote:
I'm disgusted by the way Brand, who is clearly not altogether in control of his words and actions, is used (even though absurdly overpaid) by the BBC in its attempts to stay current.
What on earth does that mean?
I have to say I'm completely sick of this non-story. Far more interesting and horrible things are happening in the Congo. I am interested to hear that (according to Kate P's beliefs) Sachs did complain because I thought the silence from that corner has been deafening.
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Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Sun Nov 02, 2008 9:20 pm
905 wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
I'm disgusted by the way Brand, who is clearly not altogether in control of his words and actions, is used (even though absurdly overpaid) by the BBC in its attempts to stay current.
What on earth does that mean?
I have to say I'm completely sick of this non-story. Far more interesting and horrible things are happening in the Congo. I am interested to hear that (according to Kate P's beliefs) Sachs did complain because I thought the silence from that corner has been deafening.
He complained straight away. That's confirmed on the links to this thread. If you refer back in the thread, Brand has psychological problems that he wrote about in his autobiography.
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Subject: Re: Ross and Brand - The Post Mortem Mon Nov 03, 2008 1:06 am
Most definitely a tempest in a teacup but I can't help wondering if the Brits aren't having a wee sort of moral/cultural crisis at the moment. When one looks at their recent attempts to introduce legislative imperatives that will create a core British identity, you kind of get a glimmer that all is not well in the collective body. There seems to a a void at the center of their civilisation where there are no defining boundaries or set of rules upon which any given citizen can identify and react to.
A good court jester identifies the anomolies in a society's rules and values and plays on them; often to the detriment of the jester. These two clowns were not testing the bounds of society or highligting the inconsistencies, imo, but were acting the maggot in order to earn their daily gold tinged crust.
Somebody mentioned the Congo. Is it true that China has significant business interest in this area?