The Israelis basically need US permission to bomb Iran. They allagedly asked for it earlier this year, only to be refuted by Bush. An air-strike might start off a war you see, and who would want that?
To be honest, I'm not sure about this story. But I thought I'd stick it up anyway.
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Subject: Re: Is the US already at war with Iran? / IISS: Iran will have enough Uranium for a Nuke in 2009 ? Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:41 pm
The Israelis basically need US permission to bomb Iran. They allagedly asked for it earlier this year, only to be refuted by Bush. An air-strike might start off a war you see, and who would want that?
To be honest, I'm not sure about this story. But I thought I'd stick it up anyway.
I wonder what Obama would have said. I'm not too sure. There were a lot of reports around that time of Israeli civilian air raid drills. It may be true.
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Subject: Re: Is the US already at war with Iran? / IISS: Iran will have enough Uranium for a Nuke in 2009 ? Sat Jan 10, 2009 12:04 pm
According to Russia Today, 70,000 people in Iran have volunteered to fight to support the Palestinians and the mood in Iran is angry. An Imam has forbidden anyone leaving for Palestine or committing suicide bombings.
Is the danger of arousing anger and disruption in the Middle East over Gaza being underestimated, or was it the intention all along in assaulting Gaza to raise the temperature and bring the situation closer to war?
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Subject: Re: Is the US already at war with Iran? / IISS: Iran will have enough Uranium for a Nuke in 2009 ? Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:39 pm
Interesting story, but who leaked it, why, and is it true? The US provided the bunker busters to Israel to use on Gaza.
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Israel request to attack Iran, denied by the U.S. President George W. Bush deflected Israel's secret request last year for bunker-busting bombs it wanted for an attack on Iran's main nuclear complex, saying he had authorized covert action to sabotage Tehran's suspected atomic weapons development, The New York Times said.
Citing U.S. and foreign officials, the Times reported on Saturday the White House was unable to determine whether Israel had decided to carry out the strike before Washington objected or whether Prime Minister Ehud Olmert was trying to get Bush to act more decisively before he leaves office this month.
Israel, widely believed to have the only nuclear arsenal in the Middle East, bombed the site of a suspected atomic reactor in Syria in 2007.
Details of the expanded U.S. covert program and the Bush administration's efforts to talk Israel out of attacking Iran emerged from 15 months of interviews with current and former U.S. officials, international nuclear inspectors, outside experts and European and Israeli officials, the Times said.
None of those interviewed would speak on the record, the paper said, adding it omitted many details of the covert efforts from its report at the request of senior U.S. intelligence and administration officials.
It said the interviews also suggested "that while Mr. Bush was extensively briefed on options for an overt American attack on Iran's facilities, he never instructed the Pentagon to move beyond contingency planning, even during the final year of his presidency, contrary to what some critics have suggested."
But aware that financial sanctions against Iran were inadequate, Bush turned to the CIA, according to people involved in the covert program, authorizing a broader effort aimed at Iran's industrial infrastructure supporting its nuclear programs, the Times said.
While the paper said details were closely held by U.S. officials, it quoted one as saying, "It was not until the last year that they got really imaginative about what one could do to screw up the system."
Subject: Re: Is the US already at war with Iran? / IISS: Iran will have enough Uranium for a Nuke in 2009 ? Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:25 pm
'Uranium For Iran Nuke In 2009'
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Iran will have enough enriched uranium to make a single nuclear weapon later this year, the prestigious International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) predicts.
The think tank's Mark Fitzpatrick made the announcement at today's launch of its annual global review of military powers.
During 2009, Iran will probably reach the point at which it has produced the amount of low-enriched uranium needed to make a nuclear bomb.
Mark Fitzpatrick, International Institute for Strategic Studies
"But being able to enrich uranium is not the same as having a nuclear weapon." SKY NEWS
Skymongering or -- relevant reporting or -- one of ten weekly mundane reports on Iran and Uranium?
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Subject: Re: Is the US already at war with Iran? / IISS: Iran will have enough Uranium for a Nuke in 2009 ? Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:33 pm
Well, we know for sure that the Israelis have them.
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Subject: Re: Is the US already at war with Iran? / IISS: Iran will have enough Uranium for a Nuke in 2009 ? Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:41 pm
I read somewhere else that it would be at least ten years before Iran could make a bomb.
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Subject: Re: Is the US already at war with Iran? / IISS: Iran will have enough Uranium for a Nuke in 2009 ? Sun Feb 01, 2009 4:27 pm
A great little one minute youtube posted elsewhere by youndan on the US vote to allow war with Iran -
Hilary cackles - Obama is not there...
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Subject: Re: Is the US already at war with Iran? / IISS: Iran will have enough Uranium for a Nuke in 2009 ? Sun Feb 01, 2009 6:04 pm
What a pity Mike Gravel didn't win that election. I heard him on RTÉ or Newstalk a few months ago. He had interesting things to say about direct democracy.
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Subject: Re: Is the US already at war with Iran? / IISS: Iran will have enough Uranium for a Nuke in 2009 ? Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:20 pm
A former CIA agent and others are saying they are engaged in a murder campaign in Iran to decapitate the country's nuclear programme. Is this the same campaign that Bush said the US as engaged in?
"The intelligence agencies are more reluctant to put a time frame on it, and the report itself says having enough enriched Uranium to build the warhead is not the same as building the warhead itself."
At the same time, the US has happily engaged in cementing close relations with the government of India, which has had nuclear weapons for years.
Last edited by cactus flower on Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:56 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : edited in response to 905's post below)
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Subject: Re: Is the US already at war with Iran? / IISS: Iran will have enough Uranium for a Nuke in 2009 ? Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:24 pm
Why do you hate freedom, cactus flower?
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Subject: Re: Is the US already at war with Iran? / IISS: Iran will have enough Uranium for a Nuke in 2009 ? Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:27 pm
coc wrote:
Why do you hate freedom, cactus flower?
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Perhaps you would like to explain that statement, coc, and while your at it, tell us when you stopped beating your wife?
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Subject: Re: Is the US already at war with Iran? / IISS: Iran will have enough Uranium for a Nuke in 2009 ? Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:34 pm
I haven't - she hates freedom too!
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Subject: Re: Is the US already at war with Iran? / IISS: Iran will have enough Uranium for a Nuke in 2009 ? Tue Feb 17, 2009 3:46 pm
Ah!!!!
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Subject: Re: Is the US already at war with Iran? / IISS: Iran will have enough Uranium for a Nuke in 2009 ? Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:15 pm
cactus flower wrote:
The Israelis say they are engaged in a murder campaign in Iran to decapitate the country's nuclear programme. Is this the same campaign that Bush said the US as engaged in?
"The intelligence agencies are more reluctant to put a time frame on it, and the report itself says having enough enriched Uranium to build the warhead is not the same as building the warhead itself."
At the same time, the US has happily engaged in cementing close relations with the government of India, which has had nuclear weapons for years.
What are you talking about? According to the report you cite the Israelis deny any such allegation. They are allegations, and have not been confirmed (though it all sounds very plausible). Since when did we swallow everything old CIA agents told us?
As for India, the US hardly encouraged them to get nukes. We've been isolating them for years, much good it's done the situation. At least now (and I don't support the Americans on this one) there is some supervision of India's nuclear programme.
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Subject: Re: Is the US already at war with Iran? / IISS: Iran will have enough Uranium for a Nuke in 2009 ? Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:09 pm
905 wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
The Israelis say they are engaged in a murder campaign in Iran to decapitate the country's nuclear programme. Is this the same campaign that Bush said the US as engaged in?
"The intelligence agencies are more reluctant to put a time frame on it, and the report itself says having enough enriched Uranium to build the warhead is not the same as building the warhead itself."
At the same time, the US has happily engaged in cementing close relations with the government of India, which has had nuclear weapons for years.
What are you talking about? According to the report you cite the Israelis deny any such allegation. They are allegations, and have not been confirmed (though it all sounds very plausible). Since when did we swallow everything old CIA agents told us?
As for India, the US hardly encouraged them to get nukes. We've been isolating them for years, much good it's done the situation. At least now (and I don't support the Americans on this one) there is some supervision of India's nuclear programme.
Fair does - I've changed that post to say that it is an agent and others who make the claim. It would not be exactly surprising considering this from the OP
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Congressional leaders agreed to a request from President Bush last year to fund a major escalation of covert operations against Iran aimed at destabilizing Iran’s leadership. This according to a new article by veteran investigative journalist Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker magazine.
The operations were set out in a highly classified Presidential Finding signed by Bush which, by law, must be made known to Democratic and Republican House and Senate leaders and ranking members of the intelligence committees. The plan allowed up to $400 million in covert spending for activities ranging from supporting dissident groups to spying on Iran’s nuclear program.
According to Hersh, US Special Forces have been conducting cross-border operations from southern Iraq since last year. These have included seizing members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, and taking them to Iraq for interrogation, and the pursuit of so-called “high-value targets” who may be captured or killed.
While covert operations against Iran are not new, Hersh writes that the scale and the scope of the operations in Iran, which involve the CIA and the Joint Special Operations Command, have now been significantly expanded.
Seymour Hersh is a Pulitzer prize-winning journalist.
According to US Government officials, Bush discussed the sabotage option with the Israelis, allegedly preferring it to a bomb attack. I would see no reason to be surprised if the Israelis were involved operations in Iran. I would be very suprised if they weren't.
The question discussed in the more recent article is, is this whole story a whole farago of invention to distract, spook and harrass the Iranians, is it genuine, or is it genuine but accompanied by continued plans for a military attack. That I can't answer.
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Subject: Re: Is the US already at war with Iran? / IISS: Iran will have enough Uranium for a Nuke in 2009 ? Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:05 pm
Overall, any covert opertions seem to be planned partly with the prevention of an all-out war in mind. This was the opinion of our cherished former CIA agent.
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The former CIA agent told the Telegraph: "Disruption is designed to slow progress on the program, done in such a way they don't realize what's happening. The goal is delay, delay, delay until you can come up with some other solution. "It's a good policy, short of taking them out militarily, which probably carries unacceptable risks."
The recent ('we support Israel') article argued that the covert operations were designed partly to placate a belligerent Israel and compensate for not giving them weapons and permission to attack.
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Subject: Re: Is the US already at war with Iran? / IISS: Iran will have enough Uranium for a Nuke in 2009 ? Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:21 pm
905 wrote:
Overall, any covert opertions seem to be planned partly with the prevention of an all-out war in mind. This was the opinion of our cherished former CIA agent.
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The former CIA agent told the Telegraph: "Disruption is designed to slow progress on the program, done in such a way they don't realize what's happening. The goal is delay, delay, delay until you can come up with some other solution. "It's a good policy, short of taking them out militarily, which probably carries unacceptable risks."
The recent ('we support Israel') article argued that the covert operations were designed partly to placate a belligerent Israel and compensate for not giving them weapons and permission to attack.
I saw that 905 and was referring to it here, when I said "genuine"
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The question discussed in the more recent article is, is this whole story a whole farago of invention to distract, spook and harrass the Iranians, is it genuine, or is it genuine but accompanied by continued plans for a military attack. That I can't answer.
Is covert action against a Government with whom one is not at war legal in terms of international law?
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Subject: Re: Is the US already at war with Iran? / IISS: Iran will have enough Uranium for a Nuke in 2009 ? Wed Feb 18, 2009 1:53 pm
I'm sure covert operations are as illegal as any other interference with a seperate government, but when they're not killing civilians the international courts are unlikely to care. I can't see Iran drawing too much attention to this topic either. Personally I'd prefer a covert operation to a bombing campaign any day.
Iran would be violating the NPT by producing weapons, and the funding they supply to Hamas and Hezbollah probably wouldn't pass muster with international law either. I'm not an expert though.
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Subject: Re: Is the US already at war with Iran? / IISS: Iran will have enough Uranium for a Nuke in 2009 ? Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:23 pm
Feb. 25 (Bloomberg) -- Iranian scientists will conduct a test run today of the Persian Gulf nation’s first nuclear power plant in the southern port city of Bushehr, the state-run Islamic Republic News Agency said.
Gholam Reza Aghazadeh, head of Iran’s Atomic Energy Organization, and Sergei Kiriyenko, chief executive officer of Rosatom Corp., Russia’s state-owned nuclear holding company, will be present at a ceremony to mark the event, the news agency said. The plant was built with Russian assistance. The trial will start in “a few hours,” IRNA said earlier today.
The 1,000-megawatt reactor is at the center of the controversy surrounding Iran’s nuclear program, which the U.S. and several major allies say is cover for the development of atomic weapons. Iran rejects the allegation, and says the program is intended to generate electricity.
“The construction stage of the nuclear power plant is over, we are now in the precomissioning stage, which is a combination of complex procedures,” Agence France-Presse cited Kiriyenko as telling reporters in Bushehr today.
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Subject: Re: Is the US already at war with Iran? / IISS: Iran will have enough Uranium for a Nuke in 2009 ? Wed Mar 11, 2009 8:26 pm
It also draws attention to the ghastly violence the US is funding in Iranian territory.
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And let's be clear about one thing: the United States is already at war with Iran. Washington is already sponsoring terrorist attacks inside Iranian territory by extremist groups, including Jundullah, America's own little al Qaeda. As Hedges notes:
Iran has endured our covert support for armed militant groups from the Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MEK or MKO) to the Free Life Party of Kurdistan to the repugnant Jundullah, also known as the Army of God, a Sunni fundamentalist group that operates with U.S. support out of Pakistan. Jundullah has carried out a series of bombings and ambushes inside Iran. The militant group has a habit of beheading Iranians it captures, including a recent group of 16 Iranian police officials, and filming and distributing the executions.
As you can see, bombings and beheadings and deathporn videos are not inherently evil; they can also be a force for good -- as long as they put to the service of America's ever-noble, ever-lofty foreign policy ideals.
Is the US is really already engaged in war against Iran ? At the beginning of this thread there was a discussion on US undercover operations aimed at destabilising Iran. http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Jundullah
Sourcewatch says this:
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Jundullah—also known as "Army of God", "Allah's Soldiers", and "God's Brigade" [1], as well as the Popular Iranian Resistance Movement [2]—is a Sunni "Pakistani tribal miltant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran." It is "made up of members of the Baluchi tribe and operates out of the Baluchistan province in Pakistan, just across the border from Iran," Brian Ross and Christopher Isham reported April 3, 2007, for ABC News.
The group, which "has taken responsibility for the deaths and kidnappings of more than a dozen Iranian soldiers and officials", "has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell ABC News," Ross and Isham wrote.
Following the February 2007 bombing attack on Zaheden, which lies in the southeastern Iranian province of Sistan-Baluchestan, bordering on both Afghanistan and Pakistan, Brigadier General Mohammad Ghafari "renewed Iranian accusations that Jundullah was receiving support from British and US forces in neighboring Afghanistan for its campaign of violence in Sistan-Baluchestan," David Eshel wrote in the March 2007 Defense Update.
"CIA is supporting Iranian ethnic groups like sunni Balochs and Kurds inside Iran. Iranian relation with pakistan are becoming tense. Pakistan is playing role of surrogate for americans even though they hate this role. Jundullah a sunni militant group is getting full support of CIA," the blog my views about world as i see it (Dr. Sanghar) stated February 25, 2007.
Because direct U.S. funding to the group "would require an official presidential order or 'finding' as well as congressional oversight, ABC News was told by tribal sources "that money for Jundullah is funneled to its youthful leader, Abd el Malik Regi, through Iranian exiles who have connections with European and Gulf states." [3]
Regi "used to fight with the Taliban" and is "part drug smuggler, part Taliban, part Sunni activist," according to Alexis Debat, a "senior fellow on counterterrorism at the Nixon Center and an ABC News consultant who recently met with Pakistani officials and tribal members," Ross and Isham wrote.
"Pakistani government sources say the secret campaign against Iran by Jundullah was on the agenda when Vice President Dick Cheney met with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf in February," Ross and Isham wrote. "A senior U.S. government official said groups such as Jundullah have been helpful in tracking al Qaeda figures and that it was appropriate for the U.S. to deal with such groups in that context."
"Some former CIA officers say the arrangement is reminiscent of how the U.S. government used proxy armies, funded by other countries including Saudi Arabia, to destabilize the government of Nicaragua in the 1980s," Ross and Isham wrote.
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Subject: Re: Is the US already at war with Iran? / IISS: Iran will have enough Uranium for a Nuke in 2009 ? Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:41 pm
By that logic have Iran not been at war with Israel for years, via Hizbollah? Would Israel be justified in having a go at Iran's nuclear facilities? Are Pakistan and India at war as we speak?
Let's look at it another way, does Iran think it's at war with the US? Does the US think it's at war with Iran?
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