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Can America substitute oil for renewables in 10 years? (poll closes July 18, 2018)
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:57 pm

It would take the excuse they use for the tax out of consideration though. Take taxes on drink and fags. It is criminal that a lad has to pay say 6 euro tax on a pack. Taxing the bollox out of a working man who can ill afford. Everybody would give them up if they could. This theft is justified by saying his health care will be costly. The petrol taxes are justified by saying it is to conserve the environment. What is it with a population that votes for taxes on the basics of life whereas transport, fags and drink account for little of the expenses of a rich man. With all the socialists in Ireland is there none who wants to actually help the working man
Funnilly enough I am a great fan of Co-ops. Ard you are probably urban but Auditor you are rural so why don't you approach 20 of you neighbours and look into a windmill. What have you got to lose. It is an area of great interest to you and who knows where it might lead. Put your elected official on the spot as I saw elsewhere that there is a 70% grant for putting up slatted sheds. Small scale power production. Form a company called Ardanaud Power. I like that name including our 3 handles. We could include others to come up with even a better name
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:15 pm

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Funnilly enough I am a great fan of Co-ops. Ard you are probably urban

I am, I'm a proud citizen of Dubbalin Town! We city dwellers can use solar power while those in the provinces can use wind. In fact the east of Ireland is to become sunnier as the climate changes in this century, so solar power will become even more viable in the long run.

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but Auditor you are rural so why don't you approach 20 of you neighbours and look into a windmill. What have you got to lose. It is an area of great interest to you and who knows where it might lead. Put your elected official on the spot as I saw elsewhere that there is a 70% grant for putting up slatted sheds. Small scale power production. Form a company called Ardanaud Power. I like that name including our 3 handles. We could include others to come up with even a better name

cookiemonster is another country dweller, so I'm sure he could put a wind-farm on his land. This would mean that he could come on board and we could call it CM Ardanaud Power. Ardanaud, what a good name!
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:33 pm

Ardanaud ... just got that now - a very good name. I am living in a town I'm afraid youngdan so I'm not really a country dweller. I imagine I have to travel a lot less than Ard Taoiseach if I want to see the countryside though... but yes if I had a place in the middle of nowhere then I'd be either getting a yoke myself or trying to chip in with the neighbours. There are quite a few windfarms up and going up around Clare (I believe that Moneypoint power station will have turbines located next to it - Moneypoint is some monstrosity on the Shannon but I have a grá to see it whenever I'm going on the shannon ferry). I would certainly vote for anyone who voiced ideas on 'making Clare windependent' or something like that.

Now this algae thing presents a lot less problems than planning permission for a wind farm and pissing of the boring old neighbours who fear they might develop epilepsy from seeing the turbines go round... If I could get myself a half acre in the middle of nowhere and put up an 'agricultural' shed i.e. an oil refinery in the middle of it no one could bat a fecking eyelid as I produced tons of biodiesel from my Frankensteinian algaes back in the wild beyonds of Clare.

Aren't animals great all the same?
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:37 pm

Auditor #9 wrote:
Ardanaud ... just got that now - a very good name. I am living in a town I'm afraid youngdan so I'm not really a country dweller. I imagine I have to travel a lot less than Ard Taoiseach if I want to see the countryside though... but yes if I had a place in the middle of nowhere then I'd be either getting a yoke myself or trying to chip in with the neighbours. There are quite a few windfarms up and going up around Clare (I believe that Moneypoint power station will have turbines located next to it - Moneypoint is some monstrosity on the Shannon but I have a grá to see it whenever I'm going on the shannon ferry). I would certainly vote for anyone who voiced ideas on 'making Clare windependent' or something like that.


And the LPG pipeline is going into Foynes. Under your leadership, Clare could make an opportunistic land grab which would mean that Clare could declare independence as a petro-state!
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:06 pm

I heard about this - is this something to do with Tarbert and refining gas there that they steal out of the Kerry undersea basins, the Shell robbing *****?

Is there also talk about Moneypoint getting converted to gas at some stage and didn't the ESB €22 billion spending announcement recently mention a new power station at Moneypoint/Tarbert ??
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:12 pm

Too bad you don't own a hill alright but still it is a hell of an idea and you could be an organiser. Introduce yourself to people and later strart a political career. Who else would have 50 unpaid advisers. Depending on who you were talking to you could sound like Ibis, you could be a cheerfull Ard Taoiseach or when you meet an angry voter you could be youngdan.. Any of the ladies for compassion and EVM for a bright high tech future.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:57 pm

check this out... yet more doom 'n' gloom for those in the mood

http://www.newsweek.com/id/139395
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:58 pm

expat girl wrote:
check this out... yet more doom 'n' gloom for those in the mood

http://www.newsweek.com/id/139395
Nope! Haven't you taken the algae stuff on board? One acre = potentially 70,000 litres biodiesel in one year..
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:00 pm

I'll believe it when I see it sold!!! (I really hope it works though)
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:03 pm

That newsweek article is talking about the recent response (a drop) in American consumption to the rise in oil price. Look at these maps showing the sizes of the American states' economies in terms of European and other countries... there could be an international economic contraction because of them which would be little harm as long as they kept activity of a sort up...



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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:09 pm

Newsweek is interesting - talking about US Swedes and deglobalisation - the language is changing by the minute.
6 SUV factories up for closure in the last week. If the price is right we will all go green.

I agree expatgirl - food is the big problem: I can do without my little foreign trips.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:37 pm

Oil is back above 130 dollars. I sense a bull trap. The price ascent doesn't have sufficient grounding. I'd recommend unwinding oil positions into this current "strength" before the market correction re-asserts itself and oil falls further.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:01 pm

What used Picard say when he used to override an order by one of the others. We are on the verge of a major war and being short oil would not be a good place to be. Remember more bad economic news and oil is still up the most I have ever seen on 2 days.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:02 pm

Where would the price of oil go if Iran was bombed by the US?
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:21 pm

That would depend on the effectiveness of the Iranian response. The best case scenario would be that after a few days of bombing there would be internal dissent leading to a fragmentation of Iran some of which would be friendly. The Baluck people I think would be one new country. Oil could even go down if it went well. I would not be optimistic.
The other extreme would be if the Sunburn Missile proves it's capabilities and sinks the carriers and other ships. This would also trap the troops in Iraq. All of them would be killed. Then you have Hezbollah and Hamas and who knows what would happen. Such a disastor would make the dollar worthless. So panic early and get it over with.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:31 pm

Not going to panic. The first scenario sounds strangely reminiscent of Iraq...
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:56 pm

They could have carved out what could have been a very friendly country in Iraq with the Kurds if they wanted. Time will tell.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:27 pm

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Where would the price of oil go if Iran was bombed by the US?

My mistake, it seems that it was Israel who made the threat, and that the price increase was $8
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:33 pm

Crude went to $139 today according to RTE, a dollar less according to Bloomberg

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U.S. Stocks Decline as Energy Prices, Unemployment Post Gains

By Elizabeth Stanton

June 7 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. stocks fell, pushing the Dow Jones Industrial Average to the lowest level since March, as surging unemployment and record oil intensified concern that the economy is sliding into a recession.

All 10 industry groups in the S&P 500 declined for the week after crude futures rose above $138 a barrel and the U.S. jobless rate jumped the most in 22 years. Financial stocks tumbled to a five-year low, led by Washington Mutual Inc., Wachovia Corp. and Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., as the employment report renewed speculation consumer defaults will worsen.

Investors were ``a little over-excited about the potential for a quick recovery in the economy,'' Gordon Fowler, the chief investment officer at Glenmede Trust Co., which oversees about $21 billion in Philadelphia, said on Bloomberg Radio. ``High energy prices are cutting into the consumer and are going to make things pretty tough.''
Bloomberg LINK
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Sat Jun 07, 2008 9:41 pm

This is a very rapid rise in the oil price, I don't think it's justified by the fundamentals, I feel the price will fall fast soon.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:06 am

While you are thinking your positions would have been sold out for a complete loss if it were a real trade. Lads have been cleaned with this move.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:00 pm

youngdan wrote:
Too bad you don't own a hill alright but still it is a hell of an idea and you could be an organiser. Introduce yourself to people and later strart a political career. Who else would have 50 unpaid advisers. Depending on who you were talking to you could sound like Ibis, you could be a cheerfull Ard Taoiseach or when you meet an angry voter you could be youngdan.. Any of the ladies for compassion and EVM for a bright high tech future.

Well, that's it. We have enough members to seize a majority in the Dáil, so Auditor can be Taoiseach, EvotingMachine would be Tánaiste and Minister for Community, Energy and Natural Resources, I would be Minister for Finance, Edo would be Minister for Enterprise and so on...
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:29 pm

That is an excellent start to a cabinet. With my tact and diplomacy am I not a natural for ambassador to the Vatican. Otherwise Zimbabee would be OK.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Mon Jun 09, 2008 10:34 pm

youngdan wrote:
That is an excellent start to a cabinet. With my tact and diplomacy am I not a natural for ambassador to the Vatican. Otherwise Zimbabee would be OK.

Well, I was thinking that you could be Minister for Defence or something.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:22 pm

I would start by sacking all of them except the Ranger Wing and intelligence branch. Bring back the LDF from times past. Sell them gas guzzeling transports and put them on bikes.
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