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Can America substitute oil for renewables in 10 years? (poll closes July 18, 2018)
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PostSubject: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Sat Mar 29, 2008 2:31 am

< Split from Food and Oil Watch - Discussion on the business of oil & energy - Mod >

I read that in the 1920s over 70% of the world's oil was extracted in
the US. How things have changed -

Greatest Oil Reserves by Country, 2006
Rank Country Proved reserves
(billion barrels)
1. Saudi Arabia 264.3
2. Canada 178.8
3. Iran 132.5
4. Iraq 115.0
5. Kuwait 101.5
6. United Arab Emirates 97.8
7. Venezuela 79.7
8. Russia 60.0
9. Libya 39.1
10. Nigeria 35.9
11. United States 21.4
12. China 18.3
13. Qatar 15.2
14. Mexico 12.9
15. Algeria 11.4
16. Brazil 11.2
17. Kazakhstan 9.0
18. Norway 7.7
19. Azerbaijan 7.0
20. India 5.8

Top 20 countries 1224.5 (95%)
Rest of world 68.1 (5%)
World total 1,292.6


NOTES: Proved reserves are estimated with reasonable certainty to be recoverable with present technology and prices.
Source: Oil & Gas Journal, Vol. 103, No. 47 (Dec. 19, 2005). From: U.S. Energy Information Administration

Trotsky wrote in 1926 "Geologists
affirm that American oil at the current rate of consumption will,
according to some, last twenty five years, according to others, forty
years. But in twenty-five or forty years, America with her industry and
her fleet will be able to take away oil from all the others ten times
over again.


Should Canada prepare for regime change? Or
will the US post-Iraq, post subprime, and facing the EU, Russia and
China, have to face changed odds and the slide to a secondary
position?
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Sat Mar 29, 2008 2:44 am

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I didn't want to intrude. Is there any way of moving it?

Yep, and I did!

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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Sat Mar 29, 2008 3:00 am

Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
I didn't want to intrude. Is there any way of moving it?

Yep, and I did!

Worship my Modness!

We are not worthy cheers cheers cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:09 am

cactus flower wrote:
Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
I didn't want to intrude. Is there any way of moving it?

Yep, and I did!

Worship my Modness!

We are not worthy cheers cheers cheers

Remember, you are all individuals!

On topic(we must remain on topic, remember), this is a site which is particularly germane to discussions regarding oil.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:26 am

Thanks for that Ard-T - I came across a number of sites yesterday and that was considered the best but I didn't bookmark it or anything. I also came across Matt Simmons. Anyone come across him before? I hope he hasn't an agenda.

And looking at cactus statistics above - we are consuming oil at the rate of 90 million barrels a day (90,000,000) how long will 1.2 trillion barrels last? That's 1,200,000,000,000 barrels, no?

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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:33 pm

In recent discussions we have talked about peak oil. It is a fact as regards Saudi and a few more places. However there is big concern pretended by some that the resourses in Alaska must not be touched because a couple of caribou can be disturbed. There are eejits that believe this despite the fact that there are kids getting pulverised for resourses all over the globe everytime I turn on my old 19 inch gec black and white tellybox. The life of Al Gore just shows that people will believe anything. His mine in Tennessee poured more pollutants out than Chernoble and our local sheep dipping pond combined. Oil must be restricted from entering the market until the price is very high. This is why Iraq has worked out very well. Oil has gone from 20 to 110 dollars and stuck it to the chinamen as icing on the cake. So I have come accross a real man of the cloth who went to cater to the oilmens souls up in Alaska to get the story. I came accross him when he was recently interviewed on radio. This video clip is truely gripping and I strongly urge a listen to at least the first 15 minutes. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:09 pm

phew ! that was great! better than the X-files. thanks! had to watch it all though..

he said
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you, the people, will be paying the National Debt through the gas pump

what's the problem with that?! you lads use as much as the world put together and for half the price - time to pay up! I say let ye do that and leave the oil that's in Alaska - assuming it is - leave it there until you have your National Debt under control .... it's gone too far though - it's over 9 trillion now ...

on cactus flower's figures above, it seems like there is a lorryload of oil left in the world anyway with the estimated quantities being in the order of 1200 billion barrels left on the planet. That's 35 years worth of oil but who know there could be masses of it under the Atlantic and elsewhere..
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:26 pm

The fact that gas is half the price here is not due to some hidden advantage that this country has. The price of gas is the exact same for everyone on Earth and is determined in Rotherdam and NY. The extra 4 dollars a gallon that Irish people pay goes directly to Magic Arse. If his paw was not in the picture you would probably be payiny 25 pence a litre. The welfare state is an expensive passenger. An even more expensive hitch hiker though is the warfare state. We have decided not to pay but to borrow as it is more conducive to promoting patriotism. The fed at the moment facilitates this con job to continue
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:37 pm

Well we get by paying what we pay for energy - €1.30 a litre on average
in Europe which is over $7 a gallon - at the moment you are paying $3.60 a gallon maximum in California. That preacher was right - you will be paying the same as us in a few years time. You will make adjustments on the way - smaller cars, different heating systems for homes, new models of production nearer to centres of consumption like the other fella says. America will adjust - war doesn't and won't work. The game is up.

I'm not sure I'd blame who he's blaming though - the oil/dollars deal goes back a while and I don't fully understand why it was ever obligatory for oil-producers to sell in dollars only. That's changing of course - Iran is selling in Euros like he says. But it should spur America onto certain adjustments, not invasions.

Perhaps they thought the Iraq war would work and then they could move on to Iran - tough titty though.


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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:17 pm

The Iraq war did work, it quintripled the price. Now it may be an ideal situation where me and you pay the exact same price for juice. Would it not be better that you pay what i pay rather than I having to pay what you pay. There may be no shortage of oil, that is open to debate, but there is no shortage of energy from other sourses as far as I can see. Cars here are big but they are a lot smaller than they were. The perception may be that the drivers are as well off as the driver of a similiar vehicle in Ireland would be. This is far from the case. Most are working stiffs just scraping by. The huge corporations are cleaning up. The socialists are beginning to make sense to me in many ways. Sinn Fein with all their faults are the only group there who realise that a European superstate, even though it is the socialist dream will be the end of Ireland as a distinct tribe.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:24 pm

More happy news New Record - Wind Now Powers 40% Of Spain Wind power breaks records in www.treehugger.com/files/2008/03/spain-wind-power-record-41-percent.php - 65k - Cached - Similar pagesain
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:18 pm

youngdan wrote:
More happy news New Record - Wind Now Powers 40% Of Spain Wind power breaks records in www.treehugger.com/files/2008/03/spain-wind-power-record-41-percent.php - 65k - Cached - Similar pagesain

Wow. That is impressive.

From the same article

treehugger.com wrote:
In July the government approved legislation to allow offshore wind
parks to be set up along the nation's vast coastline to take advantage
of stronger, steadier coastal winds.

Really fair play to the Spanish for lashing into this full blast. There must be at least 20 Billion Euro gone into it already.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:21 pm

We also have excellent conditions for wind farms and a lot of farmers want them. Bloody planners spend all their time drawing up coloured maps to show where they cant go (i.e. almost everywhere). No
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:24 pm

Yes, and I would venture a guess that there is plenty of private capital available for these projects also.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:41 pm

Even on my 45 year old black and white tv, 19 inch. I explain to the kids that any tv is a widescreen if it is wider than it is tall so we have a widescreen. But watching The High Chapperel anyone can see the auld wind propellar spinning away. You see out west they did not need no ESB and they most definately would have had a neck tie party if Magic Arse rode into town looking for carbon taxes.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:55 pm

Hopefully some will hav watched that video that I linked showing there is plenty of oil. Here is the other side of the story from just a few days ago End of the world as we know it www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/viewpoints/articles/0406vip-mcpherson0406.html - 51k
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:21 pm

Will save for bedtime watching
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:50 pm

It is a quick read but if it is accurate then it is all over bar the crying.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:57 pm

youngdan wrote:
Hopefully some will hav watched that video that I linked showing there is plenty of oil. Here is the other side of the story from just a few days ago End of the world as we know it www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/viewpoints/articles/0406vip-mcpherson0406.html - 51k
Scary stuff - just flew over it quickly, the mind crowded by images from Mad Max II

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If you're alive in a decade, it will be because you've figured out how to forage locally.

Does anyone else find this doom merchandise exciting? I do Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:15 pm

Oil new record today - $115 a barrel, the euro: $1.5881

Holy Maloney it seems like yesterday since 100 dollars a barrel was unthinkable. This is going to hit food prices again in the coming year.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:32 am

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Oil new record today - $115 a barrel, the euro: $1.5881

Holy Maloney it seems like yesterday since 100 dollars a barrel was unthinkable. This is going to hit food prices again in the coming year.

Yep it's scary! What a Face

It seems to me that the weekly shopping Bill has climbed quite dramatically over the last year or so here too. I know it's taking a bigger chunk of my wage anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:39 am

What shopping do you feel has gone up the most? I'm totally thick when it comes to this.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:40 am

You are paying for the bailouts. It is called the inflation tax and is the last thing a politician wants you to gain an understanding of. Fortunately your interest in this subject will rise as time goes on. When the ECB introduced new money you paid without even noticing it.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:43 am

Auditor #9 wrote:
What shopping do you feel has gone up the most? I'm totally thick when it comes to this.

Sorry Auditor, I accidentally edited your last post.

Staples have gone right up: bread, flour, rice, milk - all up 20 or 30%. I think I remember reading that our food supply (global) is 50% oil dependent.
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PostSubject: Re: Clean Energy & Efficiency   Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:50 am

it's ok - it made my post look better! No, what costs do you personally notice having changed? Petrol is one of the few I have noticed (I rarely drink milk) and Penny's trousers have remained the same if not fallen. Also the price of the iPhone has dropped by 100 euro in Germany apparently

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