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 Nationalise the Banks !?! Is Friedman dead ?

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PostSubject: Re: Nationalise the Banks !?! Is Friedman dead ?   Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:38 pm

I will go back and have a close look at the colonial time period to refresh myself.
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PostSubject: Re: Nationalise the Banks !?! Is Friedman dead ?   Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:50 pm

Friedman et al get a drubbing in the New Scientist:

Editorial: Economic theory just isn't up to scratch

Why economic theory is out of whack

Essentially they say that the current market theory is flawed and adherence to it inevitably leads to boom-bust cycles with all the problems that brings. Newer models more accurately reflect what is happening and show how the current market is not properly adapted to reflect the true value of stocks as Friedman's theory postulates.
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PostSubject: Re: Nationalise the Banks !?! Is Friedman dead ?   Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:48 pm

Zhou_Enlai wrote:
Friedman et al get a drubbing in the New Scientist:

Editorial: Economic theory just isn't up to scratch

Why economic theory is out of whack

Essentially they say that the current market theory is flawed and adherence to it inevitably leads to boom-bust cycles with all the problems that brings. Newer models more accurately reflect what is happening and show how the current market is not properly adapted to reflect the true value of stocks as Friedman's theory postulates.

Free market versus Keynesianism seems to be a theoretical cycle that tracks boom and bust. We bust, no one can afford to eat so Keynes is called on and money is printed. It seems to work for a while but then things get very spiky and whirly with inflation ripping away and then everyone runs for the free market butchers to chop everything down to size again. The joys of capitalism. Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Nationalise the Banks !?! Is Friedman dead ?   Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:01 pm

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The joys of capitalism. Rolling Eyes

As opposed to the utter failure of any other competing market structure? Capitalism is ugly and can seem close to collapse sometimes, but it rewards effort, promotes enterprise, encourages innovation, punishes failures and squeezes out inefficiencies. As a result of this, it survives and keeps society in the style it's accustomed to. Compare that to the economic cul de sacs Cuba, North Korea and the Central Asian Republics are in. Vietnam recently(in the last decade) ditched communism, and, lo and behold, its economy began to boom vigorously.

Capitalism roxx!
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PostSubject: Re: Nationalise the Banks !?! Is Friedman dead ?   Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:21 am

The Bank of Ireland's credit rating has been downgraded.

Even the US is taking equity stakes.

Is it time to nationlise the banks ?
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PostSubject: Re: Nationalise the Banks !?! Is Friedman dead ?   Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:48 am

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If you go down that road do so in a manner that would obtain the asset at minimum cost with none of the liabilities carried over.

You only need to nationalise one Bank!

It would be counter productive to go beyond that. If the others fail well the alternative option is there. If they pull through then there is competition for the state Emporium. My judgement is coloured by memories of a state owned shop where the staff talk to each other and the customers queue, and queue and queue.
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PostSubject: Re: Nationalise the Banks !?! Is Friedman dead ?   Sat Nov 15, 2008 12:54 am

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CF

If you go down that road do so in a manner that would obtain the asset at minimum cost with none of the liabilities carried over.

You only need to nationalise one Bank!

It would be counter productive to go beyond that. If the others fail well the alternative option is there. If they pull through then there is competition for the state Emporium. My judgement is coloured by memories of a state owned shop where the staff talk to each other and the customers queue, and queue and queue.


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If you go down that road do so in a manner that would obtain the asset at minimum cost with none of the liabilities carried over

The minimum cost should be straightforward, dropping the liabilities - would that be a default?



I think I was in that shop too. Very Happy Although Waterford's private sector is famous for making you wait until the staff have finished their tete at tete too.
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PostSubject: Re: Nationalise the Banks !?! Is Friedman dead ?   Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:01 am

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The minimum cost should be straightforward, dropping the liabilities - would that be a default?

You need to let it as an entity fail and default before you take over. In that scenario whatever you bring to the table is a bonus. The problem is that daft guarantee.
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PostSubject: Re: Nationalise the Banks !?! Is Friedman dead ?   Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:06 am

Squire wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
The minimum cost should be straightforward, dropping the liabilities - would that be a default?

You need to let it as an entity fail and default before you take over. In that scenario whatever you bring to the table is a bonus. The problem is that daft guarantee.

If Paulson can do a U turn, so can we.
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