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PostSubject: On this day 23 June in Irish History   Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:37 pm

The events which occurred this day in our long and largely lachrymose past;

1704 - The Registration Act comes into force requiring all Catholic priests in Ireland to register in court, to furnish two £50 bonds for good behaviour, and not to leave the county in which they are registered
1777 - William Brown, founder of the Argentine navy, is born in Foxford, Co. Mayo
1798 - Rebel southern column captures Goresbridge, Co. Kilkenny and camps at Bunreagh; Rebel northern column moves into Wicklow Mountains and camps at Ballymanus
1802 - Daniel O'Connell secretly marries his cousin, Mary O'Connell
1825 - Annie French Hector, novelist who wrote under the pseudonym Mrs. Alexander, is born in Dublin. Highly successful novelist with 40 books including the Wooing of O’t (1873), and Blind Fate (1891); A Choice of Evils (1895), and Kitty Costello, semi-autobiographical (1902)
1838 - Sir James Gildea, philanthropist and co-founder of St. John Ambulance Association, is born in Kilmaine, Co. Mayo
1939 - Dáil Éireann introduces internment
1945 - Sean O'Ceallaigh is inaugurated as President of Ireland
1959 - Seán Lemass becomes Taoiseach and leader of Fianna Fáil
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PostSubject: Re: On this day 23 June in Irish History   Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:56 pm

On this day in Irish history one year ago, we had this P.ie thread :

Ireland to hold referendum on EU treaty. How will you vote?
http://www.politics.ie/viewtopic.php?f=172&t=23631

Contains this :

Edo wrote:
Insider2007 wrote:
Auditor #9 wrote:
flyer wrote:
Is it actually possible to vote no?

Last time we voted no we were sent back to vote again until we voted yes. The French and Dutch voted no and the bureaucrats change the name on the title page and decide that this time the French and Dutch would vote yes so there isn’t really a need to ask them.

Our ballot might as well have two options:

Yes
Yea

And that corruption of democracy is what makes me scared to my core of the “european project”.

This is the incredible truth. It is not possible, probably, to reject the Treaty.

NO from me.

On the basis of the opt out from the charter of fundamental rights by Poland Ireland reported in the Irish Times (Jeez. Of all countries for Ireland to associate with right now, the nutty Poles!!!), I will be voting No. I regard the opt out as unacceptable.

BTW I am struck by how many people in FF, FG and Labour, privately, who will say "I won't say this publicly but I'll be voting no." If the reaction to the treaty I have heard so far, in many cases not from the usual 'No' brigade but from people I would presumed were automatic yesses, this treaty could well go down. (Damn. Where's a smilie for crocodile tears when you need one?)

Yep - that will be me. I've voted yes in every referendum up to now - but I will be voting no on this one - purely for the reasons outlined above. Are we really being given a choice here? - simple answer no - and If we get the chance to vote on this - I will vote no in solidarity with the hundreds of millions of my fellow EU citizens who will probably not be given the chance to have any say on this at all.

Dont worry if it fails - the world will not implode - it didn't the last time when the constitution mark 1 was rejected. The EU citizens want their governments to concentrate on issues that matter to them , economy,jobs,immigration, local services and the environment - not the construction of some grandiose "superpower" - simple fact is the EU is composed of 27 different nation states who ultimately have different objectives and different national interests, no amount of treaties and billions of litres of red ink emanating from brussels will change that. Be happy that we've managed to change our usual european cycle of committing mass suicide every quarter of a century and give people time to get used to the new reality - we've come a long way - don't push it - too many eurocrats wanting to be the ones who ushered in a united Europe - This is not the United states or Australia - could become another USSR if the citizenry are being left behind in the decisonmaking by an all powerful centralised elite and their doppelgangers in the respective member states.
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PostSubject: Re: On this day 23 June in Irish History   Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:04 pm

Auditor #9 wrote:
On this day in Irish history one year ago, we had this P.ie thread :

Ireland to hold referendum on EU treaty. How will you vote?
http://www.politics.ie/viewtopic.php?f=172&t=23631

Contains this :

Edo wrote:
Insider2007 wrote:
Auditor #9 wrote:
flyer wrote:
Is it actually possible to vote no?

Last time we voted no we were sent back to vote again until we voted yes. The French and Dutch voted no and the bureaucrats change the name on the title page and decide that this time the French and Dutch would vote yes so there isn’t really a need to ask them.

Our ballot might as well have two options:

Yes
Yea

And that corruption of democracy is what makes me scared to my core of the “european project”.

This is the incredible truth. It is not possible, probably, to reject the Treaty.

NO from me.

On the basis of the opt out from the charter of fundamental rights by Poland Ireland reported in the Irish Times (Jeez. Of all countries for Ireland to associate with right now, the nutty Poles!!!), I will be voting No. I regard the opt out as unacceptable.

BTW I am struck by how many people in FF, FG and Labour, privately, who will say "I won't say this publicly but I'll be voting no." If the reaction to the treaty I have heard so far, in many cases not from the usual 'No' brigade but from people I would presumed were automatic yesses, this treaty could well go down. (Damn. Where's a smilie for crocodile tears when you need one?)

Yep - that will be me. I've voted yes in every referendum up to now - but I will be voting no on this one - purely for the reasons outlined above. Are we really being given a choice here? - simple answer no - and If we get the chance to vote on this - I will vote no in solidarity with the hundreds of millions of my fellow EU citizens who will probably not be given the chance to have any say on this at all.

Dont worry if it fails - the world will not implode - it didn't the last time when the constitution mark 1 was rejected. The EU citizens want their governments to concentrate on issues that matter to them , economy,jobs,immigration, local services and the environment - not the construction of some grandiose "superpower" - simple fact is the EU is composed of 27 different nation states who ultimately have different objectives and different national interests, no amount of treaties and billions of litres of red ink emanating from brussels will change that. Be happy that we've managed to change our usual european cycle of committing mass suicide every quarter of a century and give people time to get used to the new reality - we've come a long way - don't push it - too many eurocrats wanting to be the ones who ushered in a united Europe - This is not the United states or Australia - could become another USSR if the citizenry are being left behind in the decisonmaking by an all powerful centralised elite and their doppelgangers in the respective member states.

That's fairly prescient of where we find ourselves.
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PostSubject: Re: On this day 23 June in Irish History   Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:09 pm

Edo changed his mind and Insider2007 changed their name. FutureTaoiseach was at the throat of the Treaty already and Catalpa gave a committed and enlarged NO. Helium Three was waiting in the wings and Twin Towers too stuck to their guns. As did TradCat and Rebelman.

A year ago on this very yesterday.
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PostSubject: Re: On this day 23 June in Irish History   Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:01 pm

Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
The events which occurred this day in our long and largely lachrymose past;

A very lachrymose event;

1985- At 7.15 am Air India Flight 182 disappeared off the radar screens of Shannon Air Trafffic Control. En route from Montreal to London, a bomb planted on board exploded when the plane was 120 miles south west of Ireland. All 329 people on board were killed.
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PostSubject: Re: On this day 23 June in Irish History   Tue Jun 24, 2008 10:03 pm

Lestat wrote:
Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
The events which occurred this day in our long and largely lachrymose past;

A very lachrymose event;

1985- At 7.15 am Air India Flight 182 disappeared off the radar screens of Shannon Air Trafffic Control. En route from Montreal to London, a bomb planted on board exploded when the plane was 120 miles south west of Ireland. All 329 people on board were killed.

God, that's terrible. So much life lost in one instant.
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