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 Eurobarometer Poll - Why We Voted Yes, No or not at All

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PostSubject: Eurobarometer Poll - Why We Voted Yes, No or not at All   Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:13 pm

http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/flash/fl_245_en.pdf

With thanks to goosebump on Politics.ie.

We now have the actual poll, rather than the "Independant" misrepresentations of it.
Immigration turns out to be an insignificant factor.
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PostSubject: Re: Eurobarometer Poll - Why We Voted Yes, No or not at All   Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:24 pm

Er, we had for a few minutes, but then it was gone in a flash.
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PostSubject: Re: Eurobarometer Poll - Why We Voted Yes, No or not at All   Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:25 pm

No we haven't - none of these links are up / existant. Are they cached somewhere ..
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PostSubject: Re: Eurobarometer Poll - Why We Voted Yes, No or not at All   Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:26 pm

4. Reasons for voting “yes” or “no”
The “yes” voters: it was in Ireland’s best interest
When asked in an open question about the reasons as to why they voted “yes” (see chart Q8 below), a third of those respondents said they felt this was in Ireland’s best interest (32% of all answers). The other reasons were some way behind, but most of them were variations on a theme – the advantages the EU provides and provided to Ireland. One in five voted “yes” because Ireland had got a lot of benefit from the EU (19% of all answers). Other grounds for voting “yes” (each representing 9% of all
answers), were that the Lisbon Treaty would keep Ireland fully engaged in Europe and that it would help the Irish economy.
Although some respondents mentioned other reasons for their voting preference, those numbers were far less significant: the treaty would make the EU more effective in its decision-making (5% of all answers); it would make the EU more effective on the global stage (4%), etc.
The “no” voters: a diverse spectrum of reasons
The “no” voters were also presented with a list of the potential reasons for their decision, the responses were diverse and numerous – going from a lack of information about the treaty to, for example, a way of protesting against the government’s policies. A lack of information about “Lisbon” was the main
reason for voting against the treaty (22% of all answers), followed by the desire to protect Irish identity (12% of all answers).
Besides these two main rationales, “no” voters gave a number of other explanations – that together led to a multitude of reasons – these included a lack of trust in politicians in general; a wish to safeguard Irish neutrality in security and defence matters; the desire to keep an Irish Commissioner in every
Commission; the need to protect the Irish tax system (in each case, 6% of all answers) as well as interpreting their vote as a vote against a “unified Europe” (5% of all answers).
At the bottom of the list, just 1% of all survey responses adjudged the “no” votes that they cast to be either a way of avoiding an influx of immigrants or as a method of saying that the treaty did not need fixing, as it was “fine”.
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PostSubject: Re: Eurobarometer Poll - Why We Voted Yes, No or not at All   Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:26 pm

How do I upload a pdf from my p.c.?
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PostSubject: Re: Eurobarometer Poll - Why We Voted Yes, No or not at All   Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:29 pm

cactus flower wrote:
How do I upload a pdf from my p.c.?
Want to try this
http://upload2.net/

You will get an address for it like you had for the images you hosted here - mind it Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Eurobarometer Poll - Why We Voted Yes, No or not at All   Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:31 pm

http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/flash/fl_205_en.pdf

It's there now. They changed the name.

Edit...is that the right one ??? Euro in Slovenia ??
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PostSubject: Re: Eurobarometer Poll - Why We Voted Yes, No or not at All   Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:35 pm

EvotingMachine0197 wrote:
http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/flash/fl_205_en.pdf

It's there now. They changed the name.

Edit...is that the right one ??? Euro in Slovenia ??
No, it doesn't look like it - it's the response to the intro of the Euro in Slovenia.

Cactus or Helium Three will have to host it. ..
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PostSubject: Re: Eurobarometer Poll - Why We Voted Yes, No or not at All   Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:48 pm

I can paste it into about 5 posts if that fails- it is only a little summary document
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PostSubject: Re: Eurobarometer Poll - Why We Voted Yes, No or not at All   Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:52 pm



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PostSubject: Re: Eurobarometer Poll - Why We Voted Yes, No or not at All   Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:54 pm

It'll work cactus - I just uploaded a version of the consolidated Treaty Very Happy

After you upload it will ask you - while you wait for the file to be uploaded to browse some ads and submit your name for offers of liposuction, credit cards, penis enlargement, university courses, lobotomisation - just scroll to the bottom and keep pressing skip about 5 ads through and you'll get the http:// address of the file ...

Then we'll post it on p.ie and everywhere
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PostSubject: Re: Eurobarometer Poll - Why We Voted Yes, No or not at All   Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:57 pm

Audi, that's it there just above. I put it on Silverpond. cyclops
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PostSubject: Re: Eurobarometer Poll - Why We Voted Yes, No or not at All   Fri Jun 20, 2008 2:59 pm

EvotingMachine0197 wrote:
Audi, that's it there just above. I put it on Silverpond. cyclops
Had you had it all along ?
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PostSubject: Re: Eurobarometer Poll - Why We Voted Yes, No or not at All   Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:00 pm

Auditor #9 wrote:
EvotingMachine0197 wrote:
Audi, that's it there just above. I put it on Silverpond. cyclops
Had you had it all along ?

No, Cactus mailed it to me and I FTP'd it up a few minutes ago pirat
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PostSubject: Re: Eurobarometer Poll - Why We Voted Yes, No or not at All   Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:06 pm

More people switched from 'No' to 'Yes' during the campaign than the reverse, yet even a majority of 'Yes' voters said the 'No' campaign was more effective.... mmmm.......................
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PostSubject: Re: Eurobarometer Poll - Why We Voted Yes, No or not at All   Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:13 pm

SeathrúnCeitinn wrote:
More people switched from 'No' to 'Yes' during the campaign than the reverse, yet even a majority of 'Yes' voters said the 'No' campaign was more effective.... mmmm.......................

thats logical - I thought that the No campaign was far more effective, eye catching and generally had momentum and a drive behind it that Left the Yes camp stuck in the starting gates - Still didnt prevent me from seeing that all their arguements were for the birds on the substantive issue of what was in the treaty and voting yes tho.
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PostSubject: Re: Eurobarometer Poll - Why We Voted Yes, No or not at All   Fri Jun 20, 2008 3:21 pm

Edo wrote:
SeathrúnCeitinn wrote:
More people switched from 'No' to 'Yes' during the campaign than the reverse, yet even a majority of 'Yes' voters said the 'No' campaign was more effective.... mmmm.......................

thats logical - I thought that the No campaign was far more effective, eye catching and generally had momentum and a drive behind it that Left the Yes camp stuck in the starting gates - Still didnt prevent me from seeing that all their arguements were for the birds on the substantive issue of what was in the treaty and voting yes tho.

A majority was with the birds
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PostSubject: Re: Eurobarometer Poll - Why We Voted Yes, No or not at All   Fri Jun 20, 2008 5:47 pm

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SeathrúnCeitinn wrote:
More people switched from 'No' to 'Yes' during the campaign than the reverse, yet even a majority of 'Yes' voters said the 'No' campaign was more effective.... mmmm.......................

thats logical - I thought that the No campaign was far more effective, eye catching and generally had momentum and a drive behind it that Left the Yes camp stuck in the starting gates - Still didnt prevent me from seeing that all their arguements were for the birds on the substantive issue of what was in the treaty and voting yes tho.

My guess is, based on what I saw up to the Referendum, that you and Ibis were personally responsible for all the minds that were changed to Yes.
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PostSubject: Re: Eurobarometer Poll - Why We Voted Yes, No or not at All   Fri Jun 20, 2008 7:00 pm

It's also on the Irish Representation website...link at the bottom of the article.
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PostSubject: Re: Eurobarometer Poll - Why We Voted Yes, No or not at All   Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:33 pm

The results of the survey give the lie to the persistent press and television reference to immigration as a reason for the No vote. The main reason given for voting Yes looks like bad questionnaire design - it is a generic motherhood and apple pie statement that doesn't tell you anything much. I'm looking forward to seeing the full report, that might shed some more light.
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