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PostSubject: Re: Giving out about Hiberno-English   Giving out about Hiberno-English - Page 3 EmptyWed Sep 24, 2008 11:56 pm

Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
Banjaxed, segotia, bowsie and fluthered are all Hiberno-English words I can think of.

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Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
Banjaxed, segotia, bowsie and fluthered are all Hiberno-English words I can think of.

Ah Fluther

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Yeah, I did the Plough and The Stars for English for my LC and that is a classic example of pure Hiberno-English.

"Do be" is another Hiberno-English turn of phrase like, "I do be going to the supermarket."
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Gobshite, gobsheen and eejit are more examples of Hiberno-English.
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Stukaun and ludramaun are what people get called around here if they don't move fast enough. Shocked
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Stukaun and ludramaun are what people get called around here if they don't move fast enough. Shocked

And ludramaun is usually contracted to a simple, "looder" isn't it?
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Stukaun and ludramaun are what people get called around here if they don't move fast enough. Shocked

And ludramaun is usually contracted to a simple, "looder" isn't it?

Well technically Liúdar is expanded to Liúdramán.
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Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
Banjaxed, segotia, bowsie and fluthered are all Hiberno-English words I can think of.

Segotia is of french origin as far as I am aware.
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riadach wrote:
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Stukaun and ludramaun are what people get called around here if they don't move fast enough. Shocked

And ludramaun is usually contracted to a simple, "looder" isn't it?

Well technically Liúdar is expanded to Liúdramán.

Whats the plural form Riadach?
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Liúdair, and Liúdramáin.

The only pronunciation difference in each is that the final consonants are palatised. That is to say the consonants are slender. Now, I'm sure many on this site will be unaware of the existence of broad and slender consonants, as they will only have heard of broad and slender vowels. Each consonant in Irish, however, has at least two distinct sounds, one velarised one palatised. L and N, in fact, have three.


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riadach wrote:
Liúdair, and Liúdramáin.

The only pronunciation difference in each is that the final consonants are palatised. That is to say the consonants are slender. Now, I'm sure many on this site will be unaware of the existence of broad and slender consonants, as they will only have heard of broad and slender nouns. Each consonant in Irish, however, has at least two distinct sounds, one velarised one palatised. L and N, in fact, have three.


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Liúdair, and Liúdramáin.

The only pronunciation difference in each is that the final consonants are palatised. That is to say the consonants are slender. Now, I'm sure many on this site will be unaware of the existence of broad and slender consonants, as they will only have heard of broad and slender nouns. Each consonant in Irish, however, has at least two distinct sounds, one velarised one palatised. L and N, in fact, have three.


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I suppose not many spent their sundays listening to Micheál Ó Sé on RnaG trying to determine exactly how he pronounces his dental stops. Dental stops are pronounced differently in each dialect, and in Conamara, the pronunciation amongst men is different from women.
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riadach wrote:
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riadach wrote:
Liúdair, and Liúdramáin.

The only pronunciation difference in each is that the final consonants are palatised. That is to say the consonants are slender. Now, I'm sure many on this site will be unaware of the existence of broad and slender consonants, as they will only have heard of broad and slender nouns. Each consonant in Irish, however, has at least two distinct sounds, one velarised one palatised. L and N, in fact, have three.


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I suppose not many spent their sundays listening to Micheál Ó Sé on RnaG trying to determine exactly how he pronounces his dental stops. Dental stops are pronounced differently in each dialect, and in Conamara, the pronunciation amongst men is different from women.

And would they also depend on the cut of one's dentures ? rabbit
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riadach wrote:
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riadach wrote:
Liúdair, and Liúdramáin.

The only pronunciation difference in each is that the final consonants are palatised. That is to say the consonants are slender. Now, I'm sure many on this site will be unaware of the existence of broad and slender consonants, as they will only have heard of broad and slender nouns. Each consonant in Irish, however, has at least two distinct sounds, one velarised one palatised. L and N, in fact, have three.


uh huuh Wink ( Question )

I suppose not many spent their sundays listening to Micheál Ó Sé on RnaG trying to determine exactly how he pronounces his dental stops. Dental stops are pronounced differently in each dialect, and in Conamara, the pronunciation amongst men is different from women.

And would they also depend on the cut of one's dentures ? rabbit

I've never thought about that, but yes, absolutely lol.
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riadach wrote:
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Stukaun and ludramaun are what people get called around here if they don't move fast enough. Shocked

And ludramaun is usually contracted to a simple, "looder" isn't it?

Well technically Liúdar is expanded to Liúdramán.

Really? I didn't know that and, on further reflection, it actually makes a lot of sense.
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riadach wrote:
Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
Banjaxed, segotia, bowsie and fluthered are all Hiberno-English words I can think of.

Segotia is of french origin as far as I am aware.

That would also make sense. Blather is another word germane to the Irish.
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I'm not a huge fan of Hiberno-English. I'd go as far to say that it drives annoys me terribly.
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Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
riadach wrote:
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Banjaxed, segotia, bowsie and fluthered are all Hiberno-English words I can think of.

Segotia is of french origin as far as I am aware.

That would also make sense. Blather is another word germane to the Irish.

Bladar may indeed be an english word. Much like crack I imagine.
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I'm not a huge fan of Hiberno-English. I'd go as far to say that it drives annoys me terribly.

It seems to me to be halfway house for those who just couldn't be arsed.
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So what about compound expressions and phrasal verbs - "giving out", "making a show" (as in 'complaining with indignation' or 'lamenting inconsolably') - are some of these expressions derived from Irish do you think riadach? What about "the cut of him" or "the face on him"? Any ideas?
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So what about compound expressions and phrasal verbs - "giving out", "making a show" (as in 'complaining with indignation' or 'lamenting inconsolably') - are some of these expressions derived from Irish do you think riadach? What about "the cut of him" or "the face on him"? Any ideas?

Giving out is certainly to be found in Irish. However, where one finds difficulty is deciding did they move from Irish to English or were they in a colloquial form of English that then moved into Irish. I haven't heard of anything like making a show though. The last two would seem to be Irish phrases given the use of the preposition for descriptive purposes.
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riadach wrote:
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So what about compound expressions and phrasal verbs - "giving out", "making a show" (as in 'complaining with indignation' or 'lamenting inconsolably') - are some of these expressions derived from Irish do you think riadach? What about "the cut of him" or "the face on him"? Any ideas?

Giving out is certainly to be found in Irish. However, where one finds difficulty is deciding did they move from Irish to English or were they in a colloquial form of English that then moved into Irish. I haven't heard of anything like making a show though. The last two would seem to be Irish phrases given the use of the preposition for descriptive purposes.

Not even "making a holy show of himself" drunken jocolor ?
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riadach wrote:
Auditor #9 wrote:
So what about compound expressions and phrasal verbs - "giving out", "making a show" (as in 'complaining with indignation' or 'lamenting inconsolably') - are some of these expressions derived from Irish do you think riadach? What about "the cut of him" or "the face on him"? Any ideas?

Giving out is certainly to be found in Irish. However, where one finds difficulty is deciding did they move from Irish to English or were they in a colloquial form of English that then moved into Irish. I haven't heard of anything like making a show though. The last two would seem to be Irish phrases given the use of the preposition for descriptive purposes.

Not even "making a holy show of himself" drunken jocolor ?

It very well could be, but I have never come across it. One has to take into account the thousands of local dialects that were lost 150 years ago.
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Some more idiomatic slang terms and colloquialisms.

My grandmother had some good ones. "A Dropper" was "a big disappointment" and another way of saying someone got a negative surprise was "they got a suck-in" ? Maybe these things come from Irish or Viking or something and are corruptions of the original sounds.

Another thing I've noticed is that people say they are "creased" if they are exhausted after some exercise like a run or some vigorous work. A Tipp guy I knew would use it to express the same as "to lamp someone" - "he creased him" and can be used transitively and intransitively - "John creased Mary"; "Mary was creased by John".
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The Tipp guy has the same use of 'crease' as I'd be familiar with here - it was most regularly used in my recollection in the context of bashing someone against the walls of the gym when playing indoor soccer in school. I ain't sporty so I haven't heard it much since.

To 'lamp' in this part of the world means to throw.
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riadach wrote:
Liúdair, and Liúdramáin.

The only pronunciation difference in each is that the final consonants are palatised. That is to say the consonants are slender. Now, I'm sure many on this site will be unaware of the existence of broad and slender consonants, as they will only have heard of broad and slender vowels. Each consonant in Irish, however, has at least two distinct sounds, one velarised one palatised. L and N, in fact, have three.

Would be able to give us an approximate spelling of the sounds for L and N? What are velarised and palatised? What a fascinating thread - I've never heard of any of the words being talked about here. Would 'langer' (foolish person) be an example of what you're talking about? Used to be all the rage when I were a ***** in Cork: 'Go 'way ya langer!' But I don't think I've heard it all in recent years.


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