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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Mon May 26, 2008 2:46 pm

It would be interesting to see if Rivada Networks LLC's Memo & Arts actually permit it so spend its money in this way.
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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Mon May 26, 2008 2:52 pm

Rivada have a corporate donations record in the US. They have also been criticised in the past for paying for defense personel to travel to a conference.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-08-22-travel-lobbyists_N.htm

From USAtoday:
WASHINGTON — At a time when Congress has moved to ban most lobbyist-funded travel, executive branch officials are routinely accepting trips from companies and trade associations with a stake in their agencies' decisions, according to a USA TODAY review of public records.
In a recent 12-month period:

• Two Defense Department homeland defense officials attended a conference in Limerick, Ireland, that was sponsored by Rivada Networks, a defense contractor that picked up the $4,200 tab.

Those trips and more than 100 others taken from April 2006 to March 2007 would be out of bounds for members of Congress under the recently passed ethics bill, because they lasted more than one day and were paid for by companies or groups that employ lobbyists. The travel restrictions in the ethics bill, which awaits President Bush's signature, don't apply to the other branches of government.
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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Mon May 26, 2008 3:01 pm

They should have good advice on the law as this gentleman is on their Board.

Dennis M. McCarthy, age 63, practiced law for 21 years as a civil litigator in tort and contract cases. He was the founding member and managing partner of a Columbus, Ohio based law firm. Additionally, he served active duty in the U.S. Marine Corps for 23 years and served 18 years in reserve service. Mr. McCarthy retired from the Marine Corps in 2005 in the grade of Lieutenant General after four years in command of all Marine Reserve forces. Mr. McCarthy is currently the Executive Director of the Reserve Officers Association, a congressionally chartered association devoted to national defense. In addition to Medifast, he is a member of the Board of Directors of Rivada Networks.
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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Mon May 26, 2008 4:51 pm

John Kneuer should be of help too:

Rivada Networks, a communication solutions provider, has announced that the John Kneuer has joined the company as senior vice president for strategic planning and external affairs.
Previously, Mr Kneuer has served as the principal telecommunications policy adviser to President George Bush in his position as assistant secretary of commerce and administrator of the National Telecommunications & Information Administration (NTIA). Mr Kneuer has received BA and JD degrees from the Catholic University of America. He is a member of the District of Columbia Bar.
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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Mon May 26, 2008 5:00 pm

Another interesting question is what exactly are the duties of the neo-cubs in Rivada Networks?

I mean, I can't imagine any situation under the sun in which a defence-communications provider would suddenly say "you know what we need to drive our telecom business home, a bunch of Irish neo-con supporting young turks - somebody sign up the freedom institute".

The whole thing is yet again more proof of the impossibility of 911 being an "inside job". Libertas makes the whole WMD thing look immaculately professional.
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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Mon May 26, 2008 5:09 pm

I wonder what we would come up with if we could give the same level scrutiny that we are giving to Libertas to any of the political parties/groups in Ireland. Its unlucky for Ganley that he set up in the internet era.
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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Mon May 26, 2008 5:10 pm

By the way - did David Cochrane set up the Libertas website in 2007 ? I think I remember reading that somewhere.
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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Mon May 26, 2008 5:21 pm

I don't think Libertas are entitled to uquivalent treatment to Irish political parties. Who are they apart from Ganley and a gang of hired guns? At least with FG or FF or any of the others you are dealing with Irish men and women volunteering for their cause and their ideals. Who are Libertas and what are their ideals?

They have come knocking on our doors offering to help us to decide how to run our lives. I think it is fair enough to ask them where they are coming from and who pays the hired guns.
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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Mon May 26, 2008 5:22 pm

cactus flower wrote:
By the way - did David Cochrane set up the Libertas website in 2007 ? I think I remember reading that somewhere.

That's what it said in Saturday's IT I believe.
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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Mon May 26, 2008 5:42 pm

God bless him, he must have done it on a voluntary basis, as Libertas filed a 0 account for that year.
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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Mon May 26, 2008 5:51 pm

God bless the American Military-industrial Complex.
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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Mon May 26, 2008 6:03 pm

One wonders who pays Ganley's expenses when he's off meeting Austrian letter-writers...
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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Mon May 26, 2008 6:19 pm

The Hibernian and these Austrian proto-facists seem to be interesting bed fellows. I feel a theme coming on.
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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Mon May 26, 2008 9:38 pm

its a bit late afterwards though isn't, thats what DC and DG will say, we'll report it all to the sipo, no probs

yeah what's the rules on donation in kind

i never realised how caught up in all this DC was.
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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Mon May 26, 2008 9:50 pm

It's not too late now. It's just in time. That is why the Irish Times is pursuing this. The "proper authorities thing" does not cut any ice when the big decision is being made by plebiscite. DC previously said that the bus was paid for out of donations and all SIPO regs were being complied with. It is amazing to think that DC might actually be an employee of Rivada up to this point.

In fairness to DC he is just an employee and whereas he may have said otherwise I would not be attributing huge capacity for conspiracies to the guy. I think his credibility may be shot if he doesn't clear this up as soon as possible but then again he isn't an elected representative.

The campaign has employed professional people and seems determined to muddy the issues on as many fronts as possible. If this is an outside influence, outside of the EU even, then the people should be informed before they vote. The blow ins might be asked to blow out if they keep at this.

If it is a frolic on Ganley's part then it could have numerous consequences not least causing serious ructions within Rivada if it embarrasses his ilustrious co-directors and company founders. If Rivada is actually engaged in research then I think the people of Ireland are entitled to ask what legitimate reason Rivada has for such interference, especially if the bone fides of the positions they are taking is dubious.
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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Mon May 26, 2008 10:53 pm

nobody going to do anything about this. do you mean sipo or the ref commission?
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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Tue May 27, 2008 12:40 pm

There are two sets of people who can do something about this:

1. The Media
- they can shed light on who and what Libertas is and how it is being funded. The Irish times is doing this.
- they can give less prominence to utterances of Libertas spokespersons, i.e. stop engaging in the lazy journalism of publishing everything Libertas says just because they provide media releases and have people available.

2. The People
- they can ignore Libertas if they think they are untrustworthy. Unfortunately, some people will vote in favour of Lisbon because of that perception. If people vote yes on that basis alone then Libertas/Rivada "socilogical research" activities will have affected the democratic process.
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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Tue May 27, 2008 1:07 pm

Can the people also write and ask SIPO to investigate?
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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Tue May 27, 2008 1:17 pm

cactus flower wrote:
Can the people also write and ask SIPO to investigate?

I suppose you can write to anyone to ask them to investigate something. I presume it doesn't oblige them to do anything. That will only really become an issue if the Treaty fails. Libertas's previous interference may then be used as an excuse to launch a fresh referendum.
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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Tue May 27, 2008 4:22 pm

Zhou_Enlai wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
Can the people also write and ask SIPO to investigate?

I suppose you can write to anyone to ask them to investigate something. I presume it doesn't oblige them to do anything. That will only really become an issue if the Treaty fails. Libertas's previous interference may then be used as an excuse to launch a fresh referendum.

This piece covers all the bodies raising funds re Lisbon.

Orthodox and creative fundraising help boost No war chest to €1.25m
DEAGLÁN DE BRÉADÚN Political Correspondent

CAMPAIGN FUNDING II: The anti-Lisbon groups have less money than their opponents but they are highly-motivated

TRADITIONALLY THE No side in EU referendums has enjoyed significantly less funding than its opponents. However, the No groups tend to have a high number of committed activists, many with wide-ranging political agendas of the left or the right. Funding is very important but it is not a guarantee of success, as the shock defeat of the Nice Treaty in the first vote in 2001 showed.

The total No spend will be in the region of €1.25 million or just more than half the estimated expenditure on the other side.

Easily the most original form of fundraising in the referendum is the method used by the People's Movement, whose leading light is Green Party activist Patricia McKenna. The Greens have no official position, but individual members can campaign for or against the treaty as they wish.

The People's Movement derives most of the funding for its No campaign from sales of the Robert Ballagh poster, Mise Éire, which shows a human head draped and, in effect, blinded by the flag of the EU. Secretary of the organisation Frank Keoghan says the poster or print is being sold at €300 framed and €250 unframed. "We also got a few bob from pub quizzes," he says. "We expect to spend something less than €20,000."

Another anti-Lisbon organisation with a penchant for eye-catching if controversial publicity is Cóir, with an address at Capel Street, Dublin. Cóir is responsible for the "Three Monkeys" poster which declares: "The new EU won't see you, won't hear you, won't speak for you: Vote No."

"We reckon our campaign will cost more than €100,000," says spokesman Richard Greene. "We have received modest donations from many ordinary supporters who support our concerns and objectives - a bit like the Obama campaign in the USA - which has allowed us to put up 5,500 posters and distribute more than 500,000 leaflets." It also has a website.

The spotlight is on Sinn Féin as the main political party opposing the treaty. A spokeswoman says: "We're spending €100,000 on leaflets, posters and canvass cards, plus some advertising in local papers and some bus and Dart station advertising in Dublin.

The money is coming from "the usual party funds" except for about €20,000 allocated to Mary Lou McDonald MEP from the information budget of Sinn Féin's affiliate group, the European United Left-Nordic Green Left, in the European Parliament.

Independent MEP for Ireland South, Kathy Sinnott, is getting funding from the Independence/ Democracy group, which also includes the UK Independence Party. "This is the only funding available to me. These are being spent as needed, so there is no amount as yet. The full sum will be made available later when known," she says.

Apart from Sinn Féin, the highest profile on the No side belongs to businessman Declan Ganley's think-tank Libertas, whose spokesman John McGuirk says: "To date, we have spent €300,000, or in that region. This has been primarily spent on billboard and other advertising. We will be running an extensive advertising campaign between now and polling day, and the majority . . . will be allocated to local newspaper and billboard advertising.

"We will also be leafleting extensively, and will do a limited number of lamp-post posters. It's difficult to put an exact figure on it, but I would imagine that somewhere in the region of €1 million between now and polling day would not be far off. As regards the source, our funds have been privately raised through donations. These will be declared at the appropriate time."

The organisation's executive director Naoise Nunn confirmed to this newspaper last week that both himself and campaign director David Cochrane are employees of Rivada, a US company that sells communications technology to the US military and National Guard and whose chairman and chief executive is Mr Ganley.

Asked what he did for Rivada, Nunn said he mainly did work for Libertas. He said Mr Cochrane began working for Rivada last year, and was engaged mainly in developing the Libertas website until December 2007, when he became campaign director for the Libertas referendum campaign. However, McGuirk said Rivada staff who "provided assistance" to Libertas during 2007 did so in their "free time" while fulfilling their duties to Rivada.

If Libertas is the biggest spender on the No side, modesty is the keynote of www.VoteNo.ie, whose editors, Kieran Allen and Sinead Kennedy, are both members of the Socialist Workers' Party. Allen says: "The website was set up through voluntary labour from socialists. I think it costs around €120 to host. It is maintained by myself and a few other people - in our spare time." The SWP itself will, according to Allen, "spend a few hundred euro on distributing thousands of leaflets which we print ourselves".

The best-known Irish critic of the EU for several decades now is Anthony Coughlan, whose National Platform casts an astringent eye on Brussels and its doings. Coughlan says its work is "entirely voluntary and unpaid".

"I would estimate that the cost of the current campaign from last January until June 12th next [referendum day] is unlikely to be more than €5,000," he says. "I sent out an appeal the other day . . . to some personal friends and supporters to help cover that estimated sum and, with luck, hope to get €4,000 or €5,000 back in donations. Otherwise the balance of our costs will be met from our own pockets."

Carol Fox of the Campaign Against the EU Constitution, whose affiliates include a variety of left-wing and republican organisations, says: "We've spent about €10,000 so far and are hoping to fundraise to get us through the rest of the campaign."

Other groups campaigning against the treaty include the People Before Profit Alliance, which estimates it is spending "around €10,000" and has used it to print about 200,000 leaflets and 10,000 posters. Spokesman Richard Boyd Barrett says: "Almost all of this has come from fundraising by the local branches of PBP."

Peace and Neutrality Alliance (Pana) chairman Roger Cole says its expenditure will be "about €5,000, including donation of office space from [ trade union] Unite". The funds are coming mainly as donations from Pana's affiliated organisations.

Dónal O'Sullivan-Latchford, who chairs the small anti-Lisbon group, EUReform, says it has raised less than €2,000 and this has all come from "our supporters, here, in Ireland".

Action from Ireland (Afri) is a human rights and anti-war group based in Dublin, which has published a booklet by Dr Andy Storey entitled, The Lisbon Treaty, the European Military Project, and Europe's Role in the World: Implications for Irish Voters. Administrator Marie-Laure Picoury says this will take up the bulk of Afri's Lisbon spend of "under €1,000" and she adds: "This is entirely raised from direct donations from the public."

The Immigration Control Platform is also campaigning for a No vote and spokeswoman Áine Ní Chonaill says: "We decided against posters in the end as the small number we could afford would be swamped. We have produced a leaflet, almost exactly as our submission to the Forum on Europe, and we will be distributing these via members. It will, therefore, be only a few hundred euro. This will come from our funds, which are membership subscriptions and contributions."

The Workers' Party says branches or constituency organisations will meet their own costs and any expenditure above that will probably be funded from a special national draw. Campaign director Pádraig Mannion says the party's Lisbon budget "will mostly consist in the expenditure of shoe leather".
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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Tue May 27, 2008 5:00 pm

don't know why the include the libertas funding in with the people movement and coir.
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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Tue May 27, 2008 5:09 pm

Zhou_Enlai wrote:
There are two sets of people who can do something about this:

1. The Media
- they can shed light on who and what Libertas is and how it is being funded. The Irish times is doing this.
- they can give less prominence to utterances of Libertas spokespersons, i.e. stop engaging in the lazy journalism of publishing everything Libertas says just because they provide media releases and have people available.

2. The People
- they can ignore Libertas if they think they are untrustworthy. Unfortunately, some people will vote in favour of Lisbon because of that perception. If people vote yes on that basis alone then Libertas/Rivada "socilogical research" activities will have affected the democratic process.




so nothing much concerte at all then
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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Tue May 27, 2008 5:42 pm

lostexpectation wrote:
don't know why the include the libertas funding in with the people movement and coir.

Its a list of all the groups campaigning for a No vote. Its called Part II so perhaps Part I covered the YES groups.
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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Tue May 27, 2008 9:38 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Libertas and Rivada Networks Ltd.   Tue May 27, 2008 9:42 pm

Nice puppy, shame about the irony of the slogan!
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