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PostSubject: Re: Catholic Funeral   Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:49 pm

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About two years later I heard on the news that priests had been instructed to stop all this and return to standard liturgy.

I actually think this is a good idea. I don't practice religion very much but funerals have become a bit like a Neil Diamond concert or something. I was at one in Limerick last year where they had some woman singing "Wind Beneath My Wings". I thought she was going to start break dancing on the altar. Mind you it was a bizarre experience anyway.

Maybe its down to the bishops, but around our way funerals have definitely toned down since the word went out. Personally the modern liturgies don't do much for me - as a non believer the aesthetics are more important to me than the content, I'm afraid.

I preferred it when people could express their grief and their feelings for the person in more individual ways. Providing wedding singers and Bette Midler songs are comprehensively banned from funerals, that is.
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PostSubject: Re: Catholic Funeral   Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:28 pm

Lestat wrote:
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About two years later I heard on the news that priests had been instructed to stop all this and return to standard liturgy.

I actually think this is a good idea. I don't practice religion very much but funerals have become a bit like a Neil Diamond concert or something. I was at one in Limerick last year where they had some woman singing "Wind Beneath My Wings". I thought she was going to start break dancing on the altar. Mind you it was a bizarre experience anyway.

I agree with you there. I am a regular Mass-goer and it's grand enough most of the time. The Liturgy is a mix of the serious and serene, the Homily is good and salutary and the Eucharist is done well. A good Mass in short.

However, every so often someone comes along trying to make the whole affair more "relevant" or "current" and fills the Church with insipid Christian music and vacuous lyrics. It's quite annoying since it makes the whole ceremony quite superficial.
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PostSubject: Re: Catholic Funeral   Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:28 pm

All religious music was new at one time.

I always found school masses wonderful - because everyone sings and there is nothing like the swelling chorus of everyone singing a hymn - or religious song - that everyone knows.

As Catholics we are not good at singing together, which I think is a terrible pity. And even if the lyrics were a bit less than holy and the tune a bit less than staid, I'd rather it be something that people join in with and leave the church humming and contemplating without even knowing it.
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PostSubject: Re: Catholic Funeral   Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:45 pm

It is true that all religious music was new at one time (obviously) and most of what we consider to be ancient and great these days was in fact controversial in its day. The hymns of Charles Wesley are a fine example of this. Wesley set sacred words to the popular music of his day, which terribly upset alot of hierarchical clergy. Think Avé Maria over Ghetto Gospel... anyway just to give an example in the context of Wesley - Hark the Herald Angel Sing was set to a tune of Mendelssohn composed to celebrate the printing press!
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PostSubject: Re: Catholic Funeral   Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:34 am

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It is true that all religious music was new at one time (obviously) and most of what we consider to be ancient and great these days was in fact controversial in its day. The hymns of Charles Wesley are a fine example of this. Wesley set sacred words to the popular music of his day, which terribly upset alot of hierarchical clergy. Think Avé Maria over Ghetto Gospel... anyway just to give an example in the context of Wesley - Hark the Herald Angel Sing was set to a tune of Mendelssohn composed to celebrate the printing press!

I like bad singing in Churches. It is good for the lungs to drone away. Wedding singers should be pensioned off and not allowed to intrude the horrible note of commercialism into personal occasions.
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PostSubject: Re: Catholic Funeral   Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:33 pm

johnfás wrote:
It is true that all religious music was new at one time (obviously) and most of what we consider to be ancient and great these days was in fact controversial in its day. The hymns of Charles Wesley are a fine example of this. Wesley set sacred words to the popular music of his day, which terribly upset alot of hierarchical clergy. Think Avé Maria over Ghetto Gospel... anyway just to give an example in the context of Wesley - Hark the Herald Angel Sing was set to a tune of Mendelssohn composed to celebrate the printing press!

Well, I feel that Church music is like fine wine. It needs a long time to mature and ripen before it is ready to be enjoyed. Old music in church only please.
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PostSubject: Re: Catholic Funeral   Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:13 pm

Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
johnfás wrote:
It is true that all religious music was new at one time (obviously) and most of what we consider to be ancient and great these days was in fact controversial in its day. The hymns of Charles Wesley are a fine example of this. Wesley set sacred words to the popular music of his day, which terribly upset alot of hierarchical clergy. Think Avé Maria over Ghetto Gospel... anyway just to give an example in the context of Wesley - Hark the Herald Angel Sing was set to a tune of Mendelssohn composed to celebrate the printing press!

Well, I feel that Church music is like fine wine. It needs a long time to mature and ripen before it is ready to be enjoyed. Old music in church only please.

You might like one of my favourite cds, of Visigothic Christian church music and chanting, passed intact from singer to singer since the 6th Century in Spain, without interference from 700 years of Islamic rule in the Al Andalus "where the religions of the children of Abraham all tolerate each other and live in the peace of that tolerance, and in the shade and fragrance of orange trees".

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PostSubject: Re: Catholic Funeral   Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:40 pm

Ard-Taoiseach wrote:

However, every so often someone comes along trying to make the whole affair more "relevant" or "current" and fills the Church with insipid Christian music and vacuous lyrics. It's quite annoying since it makes the whole ceremony quite superficial.
We've got a new priest who quite strict on the protocol, but he insists on piping in rubbish music before mass (when you want peace and quiet and a read of the Irish Catholic) and when everyone goes up for the bread. The latter particularly annoys me.

The ire of the bishops was directed at people basically pimping their funerals though. Which begs the question: who's funeral is it?
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PostSubject: Re: Catholic Funeral   Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:51 pm

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.... Which begs the question: who's funeral is it?

The person in the box and they ain't singing. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Catholic Funeral   Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:18 pm

Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
johnfás wrote:
It is true that all religious music was new at one time (obviously) and most of what we consider to be ancient and great these days was in fact controversial in its day. The hymns of Charles Wesley are a fine example of this. Wesley set sacred words to the popular music of his day, which terribly upset alot of hierarchical clergy. Think Avé Maria over Ghetto Gospel... anyway just to give an example in the context of Wesley - Hark the Herald Angel Sing was set to a tune of Mendelssohn composed to celebrate the printing press!

Well, I feel that Church music is like fine wine. It needs a long time to mature and ripen before it is ready to be enjoyed. Old music in church only please.

What do you think of Ó Riada's mass then?
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PostSubject: Re: Catholic Funeral   Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:23 pm

riadach wrote:
Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
johnfás wrote:
It is true that all religious music was new at one time (obviously) and most of what we consider to be ancient and great these days was in fact controversial in its day. The hymns of Charles Wesley are a fine example of this. Wesley set sacred words to the popular music of his day, which terribly upset alot of hierarchical clergy. Think Avé Maria over Ghetto Gospel... anyway just to give an example in the context of Wesley - Hark the Herald Angel Sing was set to a tune of Mendelssohn composed to celebrate the printing press!

Well, I feel that Church music is like fine wine. It needs a long time to mature and ripen before it is ready to be enjoyed. Old music in church only please.

What do you think of Ó Riada's mass then?

Well, I haven't been to an Ó Riada Mass, so I can't say whether they are good or not.
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PostSubject: Re: Catholic Funeral   Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:19 pm

905 wrote:
Ard-Taoiseach wrote:

However, every so often someone comes along trying to make the whole affair more "relevant" or "current" and fills the Church with insipid Christian music and vacuous lyrics. It's quite annoying since it makes the whole ceremony quite superficial.
We've got a new priest who quite strict on the protocol, but he insists on piping in rubbish music before mass (when you want peace and quiet and a read of the Irish Catholic) and when everyone goes up for the bread. The latter particularly annoys me.

The ire of the bishops was directed at people basically pimping their funerals though. Which begs the question: who's funeral is it?

Pimp my funeral! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

O'Riada rocks.
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PostSubject: Re: Catholic Funeral   Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:35 pm

My baby brother (bizarrely)loves the music of Liam Lawton and is regularly to be heard singing it around the house though he's not a mass-goer as such.

I like a little Latin myself and find this rather lovely.

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I was also lucky enough to hear these wonderful young men a few years ago.

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