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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:39 am

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If you had been thrown into a housing estate 20 years ago, miles away from your original community- no public transport, no community centre, nothing but a big, horrible label of living in a council estate- what prospects would you have? Very few. I'm sure a few of us are old enough to remember that addresses mattered on CVs. They mattered big time.

Now imagine bringing your children up in a place enveloped by this depressive atmosphere. Imagine having the dilemma of protecting versus socialising your children. Imagine the horror of gang warfare in your area. This is real. It's happening down the road from us, be it Limerick, Tallaght, Derry or Wateford; it's everywhere and it's an epidemic. There are so many families, innocent familes, who, by pure bad luck, ended up in these areas and now not only have to suffer the label of living in Moyross et al but also have to live literally in fear of their lives.

It is amazing that in our so-called 'Global Village' that so many live in complete ignorance of what is happening on their own doorstep.

What is really depressing is that the people who do know this is happening are choosing to ignore it and are starting a new pattern every time an exclusively social housing estate is built.

This is all very true, but even with all those disadvantages a lot of the estates were good places to live, considering no public transport and very few jobs. It was only when the grants stripped out everyone in work out of the population that the whole thing went sideways. And even now, most people in the estates are decent people and they still have to think about lying about their address when they apply for a job.
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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Fri Dec 19, 2008 4:09 am

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evercloserunion wrote:
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I don't get it... was it the Council who burned out that house? I doubt it. I understand that we need to invest more into our struggling communities, but to blame the activities of scumbags of the local authorities is pointless.

There are 250 houses derelict and burnt out in Limerick at the moment, according to the link. They have demolished hundreds. How can that possibly be a consequence just of the actions of a few "bad boys" - who are a tiny few of the people living in those areas?

Bad policy left a mass of houses empty for years in an unpoliced area. The houses did not get a makeover by "Grand Designs". It is a picture of public neglect and policy mistakes uncorrected for year after year.

Do you think if local authority management had to live within these areas this situation would have been allowed?
So we can't blame it on the scumbags? Tell me. Do you believe the council burnt out those houses?

evercloserunion, whole rows of houses were left vacant and unsecured for years on end. Yes, so far as I am concerned, Government and the local authorities were entirely responsible for those houses being burnt down through their gross and negligent mismanagement.
Well I think that's the kind of attitude that's contributing to the problem. I might just go out tommorrow night and get pumped up on meth and burn down my local school and then I can testify against my local councillor.
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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Fri Dec 19, 2008 6:01 am

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3 murders in 3 days. Same as the US per capita. The soft approach is not working too well

Statistics doesn't quite work like that YD. But while on the subject - the US has 1 in every 100 adults in jail , we have less than 1in 1200. 1 in every 36 adults is in the penal system in the US between probation, parole etc. Basically the US is one gigantic penal colony. Guns haven't done much for it, have they?

We should hope that it is a nasty abberation. I expect things to get bad as economic stress kicks in. Hopefully anger will be directed where deserved and not to spouses and other innocent people.

God help anyone who has legal problems in the US, it is a foul industry. We have here a DA, District Attorney, who is elected. They build political careers from railroading innocent people. Giuliani is a perfect example.

If you are a poor person forget about it. Prisons are big business and there is more people in prison etc than China.

Guns have nothing to do with it and most are non violent drug offenders. The war on drugs is another scam to keep multitudes making money. Police departments love it as they keep a portion of everything confiscated.

Finally as the song says. If you are black, you might as well not show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohyQblkQ8fc
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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:24 pm

http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/mhsnkfididau/

Santa shoots Christmas Party dead.
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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:29 pm

cactus flower wrote:
http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/mhsnkfididau/

Santa shoots Christmas Party dead.

He could have took it out on the reindeer or the elves but it had to be the humans
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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Thu Dec 25, 2008 11:33 pm

evercloserunion wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
evercloserunion wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
evercloserunion wrote:
I don't get it... was it the Council who burned out that house? I doubt it. I understand that we need to invest more into our struggling communities, but to blame the activities of scumbags of the local authorities is pointless.

There are 250 houses derelict and burnt out in Limerick at the moment, according to the link. They have demolished hundreds. How can that possibly be a consequence just of the actions of a few "bad boys" - who are a tiny few of the people living in those areas?

Bad policy left a mass of houses empty for years in an unpoliced area. The houses did not get a makeover by "Grand Designs". It is a picture of public neglect and policy mistakes uncorrected for year after year.

Do you think if local authority management had to live within these areas this situation would have been allowed?
So we can't blame it on the scumbags? Tell me. Do you believe the council burnt out those houses?

evercloserunion, whole rows of houses were left vacant and unsecured for years on end. Yes, so far as I am concerned, Government and the local authorities were entirely responsible for those houses being burnt down through their gross and negligent mismanagement.
Well I think that's the kind of attitude that's contributing to the problem. I might just go out tommorrow night and get pumped up on meth and burn down my local school and then I can testify against my local councillor.

Well, that's going to happen in Dublin 4, not.

Good housing policy would have prevented this. No one had even heard of meth when this started.
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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Mon Dec 29, 2008 1:57 am

They love their guns, these lads. Here's a fella unloading an AK 47 (semi) into a ditch. It has a 75 round drum, this one. Are they really gearing up for a bit of a war militia-style ? Lots of these fellas seem to be appearing on youtube all of a sudden ... What a Face




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2g_sdpV6-s
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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:29 am

Coming to get ya Audi.

Meanwhile we had a guy knifed to death in Nenagh and another guy knifed to death in Limerick. That with the younglad from Glenamaddy knifed to death a few days ago. You are surrounded.

My advice is don't bring a knife to a gunfight
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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:24 am

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Coming to get ya Audi.

Meanwhile we had a guy knifed to death in Nenagh and another guy knifed to death in Limerick. That with the younglad from Glenamaddy knifed to death a few days ago. You are surrounded.

My advice is don't bring a knife to a gunfight
I wouldn't bring a knife to a knifefight either - just some good runnin' shoes.
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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:39 am

Here is some more sound advice for any young person.

Run from a knife but charge a gun.
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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Wed Jan 07, 2009 8:30 pm

Have any of ye seen this one ? Bay Area police handcuffing a black man and then shooting him. In the back. Or so the description goes by the video blogger Martin below. Seems to be all over the blogs but nowhere in the mainstream news - probably happens every day ? yeah right

Quote :
BART police urge patience during fatal shooting probe

OAKLAND, Calif. (Map, News) - Law enforcement officials urged patience while they investigated details surrounding the fatal New Year's Day shooting of a 22-year-old man by a transit agency police officer.

Bay Area Rapid Transit Police Chief Gary Gee said on Sunday that the agency is "committed to completing an unbiased, thorough and detailed investigation" of the shooting death of Oscar Grant.
http://www.examiner.com/a-1776039~BART_police_urge_patience_during_fatal_shooting_probe.html

The video blog is slightly graphic - no blood just some fella getting shot in the back by cops.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r6M05NWy_I
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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:51 pm

He thought he was an Ah-rab and he plugged him. That is why lads want to hold on to their guns.
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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:03 pm

Awful.


The Christmas holidays brought us the ten year old who shot his mother over chores, and the four year old who shot her babysitter.
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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:46 am

Violent protests in Oakland after a policeman fatally shot the 22 year old black man Oscar Grant IN THE BACK AFTER HANDCUFFING HIM

-- 1 minute of CNN on the youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXfOzyDXeKs

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OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) — Protests over the fatal shooting of an unarmed man by a Bay Area Rapid Transit police officer turned violent Wednesday night with windows broken, fires set and train stations closed.

A few hundred protesters took the streets of downtown Oakland to condemn the shooting and call for criminal charges against 27-year-old officer Johannes Mehserle. Oakland police reported at least 14 arrests.
Mehserle resigned from the transit agency shortly before he was supposed to be interviewed by investigators Wednesday.

Mehserle is accused of shooting 22-year-old Oscar Grant of Hayward, who was lying face-down on the station platform when he was shot and killed early New Year’s Day. Mehserle was one of several officers responding to reports about groups of men fighting on a train.

Protesters gathered in the afternoon at the Fruitvale BART station where the shooting occurred. It was peaceful at first but began to turn nasty after a splinter group left that site and marched downtown.

Protesters set fire to a trash container and tried to overturn a police car, smashing the front window. Police attempted to disperse the crowd and smaller groups of protesters marched to different areas.

Some protesters threw bottles, a window of a fast-food restaurant and other downtown stores were smashed, at least three cars were set on fire and many other automobiles were damaged. Police in riot gear threw tear gas to try to break up the demonstration.

“The crowd started to become more agitated, more hostile, started throwing stuff at the police,” Oakland police spokesman Jeff Thomason said. “We gave a dispersal order four to five times over a 20-minute period, then we had our officers go in and start making arrests.”

Oakland Mayor Ron Dellums went to the protest scene Wednesday night to urge for calm. He and several council members then led a group toward City Hall and further addressed them.

“Even with our anger and our pain, let’s still address each other with a degree of civility and calmness and not make this tragedy an excuse to engage in violence,” Dellums said. “I don’t want anybody hurt, I don’t want anybody killed.”

Grant’s family has filed a $25 million wrongful death claim against BART and want prosecutors to file criminal charges against Mehserle.
http://www.policelink.com/news/articles/86025-oakland-protests-over-police-shooting-turn-violent
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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:30 am

http://www.mysanantonio.com/37357149.html

Here is another interesting story. It is the comments sent in on the story that really makes it.

As Mr Crabs would say eye eye eye eye eye
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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:42 am

youngdan wrote:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/37357149.html

Here is another interesting story. It is the comments sent in on the story that really makes it.

As Mr Crabs would say eye eye eye eye eye

Well that is some story! OK, I'm not sure I'm digesting it properly because I've the opening scene burned on my mind's eye. Is it that he might get off Death Row for that or get his lethal injection postponed only.

There's some real black humour in those comments - to be read from the bottom up if anyone else goes in there. Not for the faint-hearted though.

If my father read this he would ask if the man's name was 'Sambo O' Súil Amhain'

What a story.
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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Sat Jan 10, 2009 11:56 am

"THe same reason as he pulled out the last one"???
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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:08 am

A new video of the execution of Oscar Grant surfaced on Jan. 9th. 1 min 15 seconds it includes audio and shows what happened immediately before they put a bullet in his back.

It shows him pleading for his life even as he's dying. Alex Jones believes he was telling them that he had a wife and kid ...

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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:50 am

Looks like an open and shit case

http://www.10news.com/news/18569727/detail.html









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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:50 am

Is this real ?????? Looks like a home video but could be fake - it really doesn't look fake. Guns don't sound so dangerous on CCTV as they do in the Movies. Looking like it's heading for Mad Max more and more everyday.

This happened in Arizona 2 days ago.
The only reason they found the car was b/c of the bullet holes on the windshield. I think they caught 1 guy, 3 still on the loose.
This is a good argument for you people on the fence about getting a gun.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK7C6K4YpdU
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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:38 pm

This is clearly the way to stop the gun toting hoodlums

http://www.breakingnews.ie/World/mhsnidsnqlid/
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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:09 am

cactus flower wrote:
This is clearly the way to stop the gun toting hoodlums

http://www.breakingnews.ie/World/mhsnidsnqlid/

Catch them while they're young

Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:53 am

Guns for Roses in South Carolina

Trade a gun for a rose in SC on Valentine's Day

COLUMBIA, S.C. – Police in South Carolina gave away roses on Valentine's Day. All you had to do to get one for your sweetie was turn in a gun.

Hoping to get the weapons off the streets with the "Guns for Roses" program, authorities in two central South Carolina cities set up a program where anyone who turned in a gun received a free rose and a Best Buy gift card.

At a Columbia church, five cars lined up to give away guns before the exchange had even started. At the end of the day, Columbia area police had collected 191 weapons and police in Sumter collected 32.

"We've got a great turnout so far," Richland County sheriff's spokesman Lt. Chris Cowan said.

A handgun was worth a $100 gift card, while a rifle or shotgun netted a $50 gift certificate. Cowan said one man turned in six handguns, worth $600 in gift cards.

Cowan did not immediately have a total value for gift cards given out. Sumter Police Chief Patty Patterson said her program gave out $550 in gift cards for long guns and $2,100 for handguns.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090214/ap_on_fe_st/odd_guns_for_roses
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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:21 am

What happens tomorrow if you want to plug her. Those roses won't be loaded
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PostSubject: Re: Yanks and Guns   Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:31 am

By the way like the red roses. They have a sort of Gothic quality, reminds me of Bram Stoker


http://www.dracularoses.com/
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