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PostSubject: Let's Get Started!   Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:34 pm

We should have a rule against anything terribly vulgar, like TheBear has been describing in P.ie with pics of young wans. What'ye think?


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PostSubject: Re: Let's Get Started!   Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:36 pm

As a general start - perhaps those who are interested might have a look at other similar websites and plagiarise. It is a general norm in the creation of disclaimers, terms and conditions, contracts, charters etc!
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Get Started!   Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:38 pm

Agree with crudity in both image and written form

References to events etc. before the courts. Is sub judice the word ?

Libel obviously.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Get Started!   Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:39 pm

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As a general start - perhaps those who are interested might have a look at other similar websites and plagiarise. It is a general norm in the creation of disclaimers, terms and conditions, contracts, charters etc!

Good plan - we could link to good ones and then mish mash our own.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Get Started!   Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:39 pm

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We should have a rule against anything terribly vulgar, like TheBear has been describing in P.ie with pics of young wans. What'ye think?

Agreed! It's not as if there aren't plenty of places online to get these things.

I'd call for one of the points NDS was making - politicians by given name. No "Magic Arse", no "Gormless". No nicknames.

I'd also call for a general rule against the kind of sneering "ooh yeah, they won't get reelected 'cos they're shite" trash-talk. It's one thing to analyse their transfers or the voting patterns at the last election and state your case, but just sneering is a waste of time, and one of the principal unpleasantnesses on p.ie.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Get Started!   Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:43 pm

Emm, someone mentioned vulgarity in written form? There has been a gentleman's agreement that cussin' was allowed, as long as it wasn't too fucking personal, you know what I mean?

Nicknames are a personal bete noir of mine but I don't know if they should be banned altogether. It would be a bit ironic considering our many pseudonyms.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Get Started!   Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:46 pm

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?p=269302

I dont mean cussin' I mean crude or vulgar descriptive text.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Get Started!   Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:54 pm

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http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?p=269302

I dont mean cussin' I mean crude or vulgar descriptive text.

That would cover "Magic Arse" to me. In addition it's pointless, because it tells you nothing about Brian Cowen.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Get Started!   Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:21 pm

ibis wrote:
EvotingMachine0197 wrote:
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?p=269302

I dont mean cussin' I mean crude or vulgar descriptive text.

That would cover "Magic Arse" to me. In addition it's pointless, because it tells you nothing about Brian Cowen.
I had no idea who MA referred to until I read this.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Get Started!   Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:32 pm

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ibis wrote:
EvotingMachine0197 wrote:
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?p=269302

I dont mean cussin' I mean crude or vulgar descriptive text.

That would cover "Magic Arse" to me. In addition it's pointless, because it tells you nothing about Brian Cowen.
I had no idea who MA referred to until I read this.

What is this thread intended to be about?
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Get Started!   Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:36 pm

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TheBear wrote:
ibis wrote:
EvotingMachine0197 wrote:
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?p=269302

I dont mean cussin' I mean crude or vulgar descriptive text.

That would cover "Magic Arse" to me. In addition it's pointless, because it tells you nothing about Brian Cowen.
I had no idea who MA referred to until I read this.

What is this thread intended to be about?

Suggestions for a Charter/Code/Forum Rules. A more descriptive title might help.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Get Started!   Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:37 pm

TheBear wrote:
ibis wrote:
EvotingMachine0197 wrote:
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?p=269302

I dont mean cussin' I mean crude or vulgar descriptive text.

That would cover "Magic Arse" to me. In addition it's pointless, because it tells you nothing about Brian Cowen.
I had no idea who MA referred to until I read this.

Exactly!
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Get Started!   Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:45 pm

ibis wrote:

Suggestions for a Charter/Code/Forum Rules. A more descriptive title might help.
It's also supposed to inject a little momentum to this long neglected topic. So a little less description and a little more Dora the Explorer from you please. I've just added an exclamation mark to pump things up a bit.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Get Started!   Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:03 pm

I want to keep youngdan's names ! But if it upsets anyone ... Crying or Very sad

It's good that we're making an effort to decide these things - thanks for opening it up again 905. I will offer that crude language should be tolerated unless it is too frequent but more especially if it is used in anger. What happens then God knows.

Name calling of anyone is out. However, some names are more poetic than others and that is sometimes the job of the true poet - you 've said something similar yourself ibis - lampooning where necessary. Unfortunately that's a valid guerilla tactic in my book but I caution that if voted to be tolerated should be used with care, like a nuke.

youngdan's names seem to pose a problem but I think they are tolerable. Magic Arse may not be communicative about Brian Cowen but it is not insulting about him either - it is more comical and actually refers to a budget deficit we've hit this year which youngdan predicted last year when FF were saying there'd be no budget deficit... what do ye think of that?

I didn't know Little Prince High Heels referred to Bono until last week - these youngdan names are not so vicious and are certainly not in the league of "Gormless" or "John Brutal" which I'm going to ban rightaway unless anyone has any objections. I think YDs names have their own built-in ignore button so there Razz .

I've run out of steam there on the name-calling ...
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Get Started!   Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:10 pm

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I want to keep youngdan's names ! But if it upsets anyone ... Crying or Very sad

It's good that we're making an effort to decide these things - thanks for opening it up again 905. I will offer that crude language should be tolerated unless it is too frequent but more especially if it is used in anger. What happens then God knows.

Name calling of anyone is out. However, some names are more poetic than others and that is sometimes the job of the true poet - you 've said something similar yourself ibis - lampooning where necessary. Unfortunately that's a valid guerilla tactic in my book but I caution that if voted to be tolerated should be used with care, like a nuke.

youngdan's names seem to pose a problem but I think they are tolerable. Magic Arse may not be communicative about Brian Cowen but it is not insulting about him either - it is more comical and actually refers to a budget deficit we've hit this year which youngdan predicted last year when FF were saying there'd be no budget deficit... what do ye think of that?

I didn't know Little Prince High Heels referred to Bono until last week - these youngdan names are not so vicious and are certainly not in the league of "Gormless" or "John Brutal" which I'm going to ban rightaway unless anyone has any objections. I think YDs names have their own built-in ignore button so there Razz .

I've run out of steam there on the name-calling ...

Right on Auditor. Youngdan to me is a jewel in the crown of this site. Dean Swift is put in the happeny place. If essential, I suppose an ignore button would surely protect those who need protection from him. For me, a youngdan alert button would be more appropriate. I would then have no fear of missing one of his excoriating pieces of prose. This does not, of course mean that I share his conclusions - I just would not want to miss reading the way he reaches them.

I think we need to be careful both about having rules, and not having them. I posted some time back about my view that the site should have a standard warning for posters re untrue, damaging statements etc. I agree that the best way to start with that is to have a look at some reputable sites ( including Irish sites) and see what they say. study I offer my services to make a start on that with whoever is interested to. He has been very forebearing on the issue, but both Auditor, as the begetter of the site, and posters, need some basic protection.

This site up until now has evolved with a culture that is very different to P.ie, and posters have not laid into each other. There have been excitable moments, particularly when P.ie issues have lead to posters putting stuff down that I felt might possible step over the mark. On those occasions I pm'd the poster, others spotted the same thing, and it was sorted.

We need to have an ethos as a site and a "charter" in my view solely so that our forum can continue to allow difference to co-exist and ideas be thrashed out without anyone being made to feel small or personally hurt, no matter how much their ideas are binned. I think too much big stick waving would undermine that seriously.
Modding, if numbers of posters and posting rates go, will certainly need to become as consistent, fair and unrestrictive as we can make it. We also need a contingency plan as to how to handle it if P.ie was closed for any reason and we got a large and sudden influx of new members.

In my mind, being illegal and hurting people's feeling through personal or racist abuse would be the lines in the sand that posts should not cross. TG, I don't think I have seen anything of that yet.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Get Started!   Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:42 pm

I feel as if I am a misunderstood victim here. The title Magic Arse is used as a term of endearment. It conjurs up images of hope, admiration, optimism, wizzardly power and religous faith. Instead of lesser mortals demanding even more taxes Magic Arse will drop the britches and by a miracle which should gaurantee sainthood for John Paul 2 everything will be made right. This modern day Midas has the hopes and aspirations of an entire nation resting not on his shoulders but on his buttocks. If my faith on this man was less and I doubted his ability to perform this miracle then I would be calling him Tragic Arse
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Get Started!   Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:48 pm

johnfás wrote:
As a general start - perhaps those who are interested might have a look at other similar websites and plagiarise. It is a general norm in the creation of disclaimers, terms and conditions, contracts, charters etc!

Indeed, I mean look at the lisbon treaty...

(waits of Ibis)
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Get Started!   Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:50 pm

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johnfás wrote:
As a general start - perhaps those who are interested might have a look at other similar websites and plagiarise. It is a general norm in the creation of disclaimers, terms and conditions, contracts, charters etc!

Indeed, I mean look at the lisbon treaty...

(waits of Ibis)

And as if by magic...you rang, sir?
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Get Started!   Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:50 pm

TheBear wrote:
ibis wrote:
EvotingMachine0197 wrote:
http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/showthread.php?p=269302

I dont mean cussin' I mean crude or vulgar descriptive text.

That would cover "Magic Arse" to me. In addition it's pointless, because it tells you nothing about Brian Cowen.
I had no idea who MA referred to until I read this.

Nor I.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Get Started!   Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:57 pm

ibis wrote:
cookiemonster wrote:
johnfás wrote:
As a general start - perhaps those who are interested might have a look at other similar websites and plagiarise. It is a general norm in the creation of disclaimers, terms and conditions, contracts, charters etc!

Indeed, I mean look at the lisbon treaty...

(waits of Ibis)

And as if by magic...you rang, sir?

Have started up a collection of same in the "Towards a Moderation Policy" thread. We can keep this thread for expressing our feelings about youngdan.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Get Started!   Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:00 am

I want to have youngdans babies.
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PostSubject: Re: Let's Get Started!   Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:07 am

cactus flower wrote:
. We can keep this thread for expressing our feelings about youngdan.

Or how about youngdan's world of wonder?
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