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PostSubject: Re: The Revolution has just begun   Fri May 02, 2008 12:06 am

I am kind of envisaging something a bit like Afghanistan (only fundamental Christian) with local war lords. I obviously am not getting this properly.
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PostSubject: Re: The Revolution has just begun   Fri May 02, 2008 5:38 am

Many are afraid of the gold standard. It was changed in 1933. The widely used coin was the 20 dollar gold double eagle and weighed 1 ounce. The Europeans had coins weighing about 1/4 ounce and the sovereign was the English one. Prices rose little over the preceding 100 years. Rosevelt called in the gold and when he had it collected he raised the price to 32 dollars an ounce. So anyone that hid his double eagle had something that was worth 32 dollars. Of course the gold price did not change it was the dollar value that was lowered by about 45%. He stole 45% of the value of every person in the country that day. The framers understood the inflation trick well and that is why they mandated a sound money system of gold and silver.
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PostSubject: Re: The Revolution has just begun   Sun May 04, 2008 4:37 am

I would like to post a clip of a question put to McCain by a Baptist Pastor but am afraid of causing offense to delicate ears.
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PostSubject: Re: The Revolution has just begun   Mon May 19, 2008 12:02 am

Our next hope for progress is Bob Barr who may get the Libertarian nomination. I am a big fan. Some may remember him from this movie clip

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7423629169068445038&q=bob+barr&ei=QpkwSMDqCoXorgKxq7GOCg&hl=en
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PostSubject: Re: The Revolution has just begun   Mon May 19, 2008 12:05 am

What's the difference between the Libertarian and the Constitution Party? Is Libertas Libertarian too?
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PostSubject: Re: The Revolution has just begun   Mon May 19, 2008 12:33 am

I have not a good understanding of Libertas but I have a feeling they are what I would call neo-con. Other posters have said that they are aligned with Bush. A libertarian stance would not stand much of a chance in Ireland at the moment because everyone looks to the government to look after them.
The Libertarian and Constitution parties are similiar except on immigration and abortion. A strict libertarian would have abortion legal whereas a constiution person would not. A libertarian would favour open immigration. A constitutionalist would reduce the federal government to the few chores given it in the Constitution. He would not care in theory if the individual states then enacted laws say making drugs illegal. A libertarian would want all drugs freely available. Ron Paul would be Constitutionalist and Barr would be more constitutionalist than libertarian but he is going for the bigger party base.
Both parties would dismantle the laws that have impacted civil liberties. A strict libertarian would get rid of all licenses and permits. Both would rescend all international treaties and bring the troops back from everyplace. The world would be very different if a Constitutionalist got power.
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PostSubject: Re: The Revolution has just begun   Mon May 19, 2008 12:42 am

CF wrote:
What's the difference between the Libertarian and the Constitution Party? Is Libertas Libertarian too?

I don't know what the difference is, but I'm sure there are more similarities than differences. I think you're getting into an area covered here and eleswhere by Aragon. I think this particular area is very important for anyone wishing to discern between different ideas and philosophies. Words and their meanings have been hijacked so that it's no longer possible to trust a defining word when used to describe some ethos or other. 'Libertarian,' is a good example. This word is used equally between the left and the right and no longer has any credible intrinsic meaning. Another example is where Bertie Ahern described himself as a socialist. This broadening of precise terms has left us in a position similar to the problems promoted by the various religious divides. Do we judge people and groups on their faith or their works? I say works.

The right and to a much lesser degree (this time) the left have walked into a minefield that was until now, the sole domain and prison of the left. Welcome to a plane, where the bulk of all communication consists of the communicants defining themselves (to the cost of acting out their intentions) without cease, eventhough everyone knows each other. Maybe now that everyone has to do it, we can recognise it for the stupid and divisive bs that it is, and stop it?
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PostSubject: Re: The Revolution has just begun   Mon May 19, 2008 12:50 am

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I have not a good understanding of Libertas but I have a feeling they are what I would call neo-con. Other posters have said that they are aligned with Bush. A libertarian stance would not stand much of a chance in Ireland at the moment because everyone looks to the government to look after them.
The Libertarian and Constitution parties are similiar except on immigration and abortion. A strict libertarian would have abortion legal whereas a constiution person would not. A libertarian would favour open immigration. A constitutionalist would reduce the federal government to the few chores given it in the Constitution. He would not care in theory if the individual states then enacted laws say making drugs illegal. A libertarian would want all drugs freely available. Ron Paul would be Constitutionalist and Barr would be more constitutionalist than libertarian but he is going for the bigger party base.
Both parties would dismantle the laws that have impacted civil liberties. A strict libertarian would get rid of all licenses and permits. Both would rescend all international treaties and bring the troops back from everyplace. The world would be very different if a Constitutionalist got power.

Would they pull out of NATO ?
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PostSubject: Re: The Revolution has just begun   Mon May 19, 2008 1:09 am

Absolutely. It is the luck of God that Georgia has not been made a member because Russia are ready to give them a good lickin as soon as they get the chance. The Constitution party would immediately get rid of nato, un, nafta, gatt, cafta, wto, who, fao, irs, the entire homeland security department,cia, entire federal department like education and agriculture. The next day they would get rid of The food and Drug Administration and for desert Fema would dissappear.
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