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PostSubject: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:53 pm

Just received a text from the mother saying that Labour have walked out of the Dáil in protest at the suspension of their deputy Social Welfare spokesperson, Roisín Shorthall. The actual facts are hard to come by as it hasn't really been reported anywhere yet but according to posters on P.ie Lenihan was refusing to answer questions about Anglo, Roisín confronted him and was asked to leave the Dáil, refused and was suspended. She then left and was followed by the rest of Labour.

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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:22 pm

Good for them. Well Sinn Fein don't seem to have walked in sympathy: - (LIVE OIREACHTAS)

http://live.heanet.ie/oireachtas/dail_broadband.asx
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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:28 pm

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Good for them. Well Sinn Fein don't seem to have walked in sympathy: - (LIVE OIREACHTAS)

[url=http://live.heanet.ie/oireachtas/dail_broadband.asx
http://live.heanet.ie/oireachtas/dail_broadband.asx[/quote[/url]]

Blimey! Ive only just finished saying somewhere else that Labour are a washout...might have to go and edit that post.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:30 pm

Aragon wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
Good for them. Well Sinn Fein don't seem to have walked in sympathy: - (LIVE OIREACHTAS)

[url=http://live.heanet.ie/oireachtas/dail_broadband.asx
http://live.heanet.ie/oireachtas/dail_broadband.asx[/quote[/url]]

Blimey! Ive only just finished saying somewhere else that Labour are a washout...might have to go and edit that post.

A Labour thread is needed. I read that the executive has voted to sever links with the Unions like "New Labour" - it will go to the conference for a vote.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:42 pm

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Good for them. Well Sinn Fein don't seem to have walked in sympathy: - (LIVE OIREACHTAS)

http://live.heanet.ie/oireachtas/dail_broadband.asx

I don't suppose anyone wants to wait until they find out what actually happened or why she was turfed out or who was in the right of it? No, I didn't think so, if they're agin the Govmint they're our kind of people. yeeha!!
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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:49 pm

You got it tonys! Very Happy

Or at least they've had a moment.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:50 pm

As long as they don't walk back in what is the problem
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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:54 pm

The Government is so little engaged with the Dail at this point that Labour might as well go and set up a parallel house elsewhere and invite people to join them.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:57 pm

Here's my latest gripe:

We can spend €54m on shagging evoting machines that are crap yet


WE DON'T WE HAVE A DECENT FUNCTIONING DÁIL ARCHIVE SYSTEM.


http://www.oireachtas.ie/ViewDoc.asp?fn=/documents/livewebcast/WebcastingVideoClipcreationtool.htm%20&CatID=154&m=o


Good jesus on a penny farthing

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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Wed Feb 11, 2009 9:58 pm

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The Government is so little engaged with the Dail at this point that Labour might as well go and set up a parallel house elsewhere and invite people to join them.
Now you're talking lady Idea
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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:29 pm

[quote="tonys"]
cactus flower wrote:
Good for them. Well Sinn Fein don't seem to have walked in sympathy: - (LIVE OIREACHTAS)

http://live.heanet.ie/oireachtas/dail_broadband.asx

I don't suppose anyone wants to wait until they find out what actually happened or why she was turfed out or who was in the right of it? No, I didn't think so, if they're agin the Govmint they're our kind of people. yeeha!![/quote]

You're almost getting it Tonys! Atta boy! We should reserve judgment until the facts are in, though. RTE News online had nothing about this a while ago - it just referred to angry exchanges in the Dail but Roisin whatsit wasn't mentioned.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:45 pm

Auditor #9 wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
The Government is so little engaged with the Dail at this point that Labour might as well go and set up a parallel house elsewhere and invite people to join them.
Now you're talking lady Idea
That was tried about 90 years ago if memory serves.

I think we now need national strike to force the Government's resignation at this stage. Labour, Fine Gael and Sinn Féin should be offering to form a National Unity Government at this point after the following election and proposing a two year plan to dig us out of this shit. Top of the plan should be whatever it takes to hold the clowns, thieves and thieving clowns to account for what they've done to us. Next they need to withdraw the guarantees from any institution found to have acted improperly and then fully nationalise whatever we need of what's left(1 of the big two as far as I can tell) and let the rest collapse. They also need to address our Food and Energy Independance.

We cannot afford another 6 months of this Government. They have already destroyed the financial system and they will soon have destroyed the economy too. After that they will wreck the very fabric of society by wrecking the Health and Education infrastructure.

I hope the opposition parties can get their shit together with the Unions to organise a National Strike. I reckon people haven't suffered enough yet, but give it another couple of months maybe and we'll see...

Get them out now.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:06 pm

coc wrote:
Auditor #9 wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
The Government is so little engaged with the Dail at this point that Labour might as well go and set up a parallel house elsewhere and invite people to join them.
Now you're talking lady Idea
That was tried about 90 years ago if memory serves.

I think we now need national strike to force the Government's resignation at this stage. Labour, Fine Gael and Sinn Féin should be offering to form a National Unity Government at this point after the following election and proposing a two year plan to dig us out of this shit. Top of the plan should be whatever it takes to hold the clowns, thieves and thieving clowns to account for what they've done to us. Next they need to withdraw the guarantees from any institution found to have acted improperly and then fully nationalise whatever we need of what's left(1 of the big two as far as I can tell) and let the rest collapse. They also need to address our Food and Energy Independance.

We cannot afford another 6 months of this Government. They have already destroyed the financial system and they will soon have destroyed the economy too. After that they will wreck the very fabric of society by wrecking the Health and Education infrastructure.

I hope the opposition parties can get their shit together with the Unions to organise a National Strike. I reckon people haven't suffered enough yet, but give it another couple of months maybe and we'll see...

Get them out now.

Wouldn't you be afraid that we'd just have another shlock of leeches and bloodsuckers in there in no time after this crowd were gone ?

Perhaps it's stricter corruption measures we need - like this:


http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/Asia/Story/STIStory_336948.html
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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:08 pm

FF people have got to be happy. I challenge anyone to show where either FG or Lab has laid out a plan of what they would do. They just snipe lame one liners about the banks making a monkey out of the government.

Very easy being a knocker so let's hear Enda the Eejit with his solutions and if I don't laugh myself to death with that I will take a greater risk and listen to Gilmore the Gimp
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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:43 pm

coc wrote:
Auditor #9 wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
The Government is so little engaged with the Dail at this point that Labour might as well go and set up a parallel house elsewhere and invite people to join them.
Now you're talking lady Idea
That was tried about 90 years ago if memory serves.

I think we now need national strike to force the Government's resignation at this stage. Labour, Fine Gael and Sinn Féin should be offering to form a National Unity Government at this point after the following election and proposing a two year plan to dig us out of this shit. Top of the plan should be whatever it takes to hold the clowns, thieves and thieving clowns to account for what they've done to us. Next they need to withdraw the guarantees from any institution found to have acted improperly and then fully nationalise whatever we need of what's left(1 of the big two as far as I can tell) and let the rest collapse. They also need to address our Food and Energy Independance.

We cannot afford another 6 months of this Government. They have already destroyed the financial system and they will soon have destroyed the economy too. After that they will wreck the very fabric of society by wrecking the Health and Education infrastructure.

I hope the opposition parties can get their shit together with the Unions to organise a National Strike. I reckon people haven't suffered enough yet, but give it another couple of months maybe and we'll see...

Get them out now.

Where am I?
The match is better than this and it's shite
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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:14 am

Fraid that I must stand in Tonys' corner in this one. Though we may yet have to fight for the stool as the weapon of choice. Smile

There isn't a political party in the Dáil that is pushing an argument that suggests that we should let the banks drown in the pool of their own excrement. This is all a simple game of oneupmanship, with the winner having the pleasure of sticking it to the little guy.

All parties, having decided that the banks etc. are more important than the serfs, would have no choice whatsoever, but to do exactly as FF are doing. There's nowhere else the money can come from. So whilst we'll see many chimps jumping on various bandwagons, it is very advisable to read the small print in all and any rhetoric that they produce.

This whole furore is nothing more than a hissy fit, designed to sway fickle voters who aren't looking at the ball, as it shoots out of the stadium. Nothing less, nothing more. Labour wouldn't have the backbone for anything else. We may see some similar action from the other idiot shortly, the one who likes to have himself compared to Michael Collins. I don't know which is more absurd, the comparison or the politics of the man himself.

We should run a spot the difference competition. We should run another one, that would look at the so-called differences between the parties.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:54 am

If anyone wants to know where Labour is going, they should look at the quiet move by the Executive last week to ditch Labour's ties to the Trade Unions. This is a clear indication that what they have in mind is not offering a socialist alternative but to take over the rightward moving middle ground in the style of New Labour.

That isn't in my mind any reason to leave FF sitting on the pot.

If we haven't the opposition party we want on the left, we have a number of choices. One of them is to make do with the ones we have - Labour, SF. the Socialist Party and the Greens? - who else is there? and the other would be to construct a new one. If the right can do it with Libertas, what is the left frightened of?
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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:50 am

Hermes wrote:
Fraid that I must stand in Tonys' corner in this one.
Though we may yet have to fight for the stool as the weapon of choice. Smile

There
isn't a political party in the Dáil that is pushing an argument that
suggests that we should let the banks drown in the pool of their own
excrement. This is all a simple game of oneupmanship, with the winner
having the pleasure of sticking it to the little guy.

All
parties, having decided that the banks etc. are more important than the
serfs, would have no choice whatsoever, but to do exactly as FF are
doing. There's nowhere else the money can come from. So whilst we'll
see many chimps jumping on various bandwagons, it is very advisable to
read the small print in all and any rhetoric that they produce.

This
whole furore is nothing more than a hissy fit, designed to sway fickle
voters who aren't looking at the ball, as it shoots out of the stadium.
Nothing less, nothing more. Labour wouldn't have the backbone for
anything else. We may see some similar action from the other idiot
shortly, the one who likes to have himself compared to Michael Collins.
I don't know which is more absurd, the comparison or the politics of
the man himself.

We should run a spot the difference
competition. We should run another one, that would look at the
so-called differences between the parties.

Utter shite.

This nonsense has been going on for 10 years. It's called disenfranchisement

The PD's invented it . It's a method of not answering questions in the Dáil by opposition parties elected by a sovereign people.

A good example would be the 3 months it takes an opposition TD to get a
question answered on Health, because Harney arranged for the 'devolved'
responsibility of her ministry.

Don't give me this oneupmanship bollocks. It is not oneupmanship. It is a reaction to democratic fraud.

It is a reaction to the unashamed contempt in which the people are held.

The MoF was being asked a question but was more intent on getting out the fucking door.

The entire party walking out was a culmination of at least 10 years abuse of Dáil protocol and out of respect for voters.

And btw, the Labour Party do have a website, so don't give me this arseholery about not pushing. (Excuse the pun)

What is it about the Irish that genuine people have to be ripped to shreds, yet amadáns get lifted to on high ?
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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Thu Feb 12, 2009 1:55 am

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Utter shite.

This nonsense has been going on for 10 years. It's called disenfranchisement

The PD's invented it . It's a method of not answering questions in the Dáil by opposition parties elected by a sovereign people. As in the "rainbow" when after withholding information Bruton said "they never asked the right question".
Get down of the horse now Tonto and mind how you go.

A good example would be the 3 months it takes an opposition TD to get a
question answered on Health, because Harney arranged for the 'devolved'
responsibility of her ministry.

Don't give me this oneupmanship bollocks. It is not oneupmanship. It is a reaction to democratic fraud.

It is a reaction to the unashamed contempt in which the people are held.

The MoF was being asked a question but was more intent on getting out the fucking door.

The entire party walking out was a culmination of at least 10 years abuse of Dáil protocol and out of respect for voters.

And btw, the Labour Party do have a website, so don't give me this arseholery about not pushing. (Excuse the pun)

What is it about the Irish that genuine people have to be ripped to shreds, yet amadáns get lifted to on high ?
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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:07 am

Jeez tony, you have developed a very lazy method of quoting. But with that said, it would appear to be very efficient also.

Bruton Bruton Bruton ... Oh yeh now I remember the bloke. Baldy chap from Meath ?

WTF has that got to do with anything ?

See, history goes back a long time. I could throw a Cicero annunciation
at you either. But I was alluding to recent events obviously.

*Skippy the Kangaroo noise*
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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:18 am

If you thought my scary Horror Economics thread was very couch-hidingbehind ish look at this from the Pin. I think this is more or less what happened to Iceland.


Quote :
As an owner in Anglo Irish Bank you can now be sued for false accounting by anyone who invested in Anglo Irish Bank. That is a serious option which is being actively investigated by investors in the UK right now. The €7 billion that was moved into and out of Anglo for purposes of decieving the (stupid) Financial Regulator is a godsend for big investment houses which put cash into buying shares in Anglo.
http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=18607


A bunch of investors could sue us all now ... oh yeah....
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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:22 am

EvotingMachine0197 wrote:
Jeez tony, you have developed a very lazy method of quoting. But with that said, it would appear to be very efficient also.

Bruton Bruton Bruton ... Oh yeh now I remember the bloke. Baldy chap from Meath ?

WTF has that got to do with anything ?

See, history goes back a long time. I could throw a Cicero annunciation
at you either. But I was alluding to recent events obviously.

*Skippy the Kangaroo noise*
No, it’s just that when you said “This nonsense has been going on for 10 years” and “The entire party walking out was a culmination of at least 10 years abuse of Dáil protocol and out of respect for voters.” I somehow got the impression that you thought this had only started in the last 10 years and that Labour & FG were somehow innocent victims of this hitherto unknown behaviour as perpetrated by the dastardly FF & the late lamented PD’s.

Just so you know it ain’t so and that no amount of feckamajiggery by you or anyone else will make it so.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:30 am

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If you thought my scary Horror Economics thread was very couch-hidingbehind ish look at this from the Pin. I think this is more or less what happened to Iceland.


Quote :
As an owner in Anglo Irish Bank you can now be sued for false accounting by anyone who invested in Anglo Irish Bank. That is a serious option which is being actively investigated by investors in the UK right now. The €7 billion that was moved into and out of Anglo for purposes of decieving the (stupid) Financial Regulator is a godsend for big investment houses which put cash into buying shares in Anglo.
http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=18607


A bunch of investors could sue us all now ... oh yeah....


Mm. We've been pointing that out here for some time. We have all been sold into slavery and our children and our childrens children.
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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Thu Feb 12, 2009 2:41 am

cactus flower wrote:
Auditor #9 wrote:
If you thought my scary Horror Economics thread was very couch-hidingbehind ish look at this from the Pin. I think this is more or less what happened to Iceland.


Quote :
As an owner in Anglo Irish Bank you can now be sued for false accounting by anyone who invested in Anglo Irish Bank. That is a serious option which is being actively investigated by investors in the UK right now. The €7 billion that was moved into and out of Anglo for purposes of decieving the (stupid) Financial Regulator is a godsend for big investment houses which put cash into buying shares in Anglo.
http://www.thepropertypin.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=18607


A bunch of investors could sue us all now ... oh yeah....


Mm. We've been pointing that out here for some time. We have all been sold into slavery and our children and our childrens children.

I know you have. I didn't think you were joking or anything it's just that the denial is so strong. I don't think it's even denial I think I have a latent trust that the Gvt. will save us all .. ?


from today's Indo
Quote :

Taoiseach warns FF to expect 'no thanks'

Taoiseach Brian Cowen told the Fianna Fail parliamentary party last night that they would not be popular or even thanked for all their Herculean efforts to save the country.

Yet the Taoiseach's sombre message still received a round of applause at the end of the meeting.

Mr Cowen explained that our future was on the line and that international confidence depended on demonstrating that the government has a plan and can deliver it.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/taoiseach-warns-ff-to-expect-no-thanks-1635210.html

Dontcha worry cactus
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PostSubject: Re: Labour walk out of Dáil in protest   Thu Feb 12, 2009 3:01 am

tonys wrote:
EvotingMachine0197 wrote:
Jeez tony, you have developed a very lazy method of quoting. But with that said, it would appear to be very efficient also.

Bruton Bruton Bruton ... Oh yeh now I remember the bloke. Baldy chap from Meath ?

WTF has that got to do with anything ?

See, history goes back a long time. I could throw a Cicero annunciation
at you either. But I was alluding to recent events obviously.

*Skippy the Kangaroo noise*
No, it’s just that when you said “This nonsense has been going on for 10 years” and “The entire party walking out was a culmination of at least 10 years abuse of Dáil protocol and out of respect for voters.” I somehow got the impression that you thought this had only started in the last 10 years and that Labour & FG were somehow innocent victims of this hitherto unknown behaviour as perpetrated by the dastardly FF & the late lamented PD’s.

Just so you know it ain’t so and that no amount of feckamajiggery by you or anyone else will make it so.

I'll accept the lot providing you accept that I don't feckmajigg. If you accuse me of feckmajigg, I will counter accuse with megafeckmajigg.

And I have nore evidence of MFMJ than you have of FMJ.

ANyway , enough of that . Have you heard the Adele version of the Dylan song ? Feckin brilliant.
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