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PostSubject: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:24 am

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How about this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOoot6NhkgU

Australians and Canadians often say they are like each other - both large countries, similar populations, similar cultural heritages... and both satellites of America.

Youngdan in his unerring drive to reveal evidence of the "New World Order" posted the above two speeches by Howard and Harper, the Prime Ministers of both countries which is a striking piece if for nothing other than the skill of the video editor and his acuity in the first place to spot the other similarities that Canadians and Australians appear to have.

I think it's not at all as sinister as it may seem but then again you'd never know - better perhaps to stay as an agnostic about these things in case they are true.

So what is this "New World Order" that seems to be undergoing Net Creep by the day almost ? It seems to me to be creeping into the amateur Economics commentators I watch now as well as being attached to every 911 mention.

As far as I know, the theory goes that there is a select powerful few who are about to cull the people of the world and reap what we have sown. They will do this with a chemical or biological agent or they will infect food with some virus or other; other vloggers and bloggers think a nuclear war might happen; still others perhaps believe this elite is from outer space originally. Or something. This group is Ancient apparently and determined to control every man woman and child they leave alive on a planet they will have turned into a Brave New Orwellian World.

So are these people really going to bomb the planet, head off to Mars for a few years and then come back and take all the survivors into their possession as slaves ? Or is this whole thing a psychological product of the Bogeyman imagination that has caught on on the Internet like a bad rumour in a small village, like the whole thing in the M. Night Shymalnalnmlan video "The Village" ?

Or is there some truth in it and the Evidence is finally appearing, from the contracting money supply to the appearance of incurable diseases (?) to the curiosity that is the speech above ?

For anyone interested to know where to start, Alex Jones is one who has railed against it for ten years apparently. His websites infowars and prisonplanet.tv are linked in the youtube channel below (created by DAVE, not Alex Jones) and he finds it is his mission in life to saturate every news piece and topic with the New World Order idea, from Obama's inauguration speech to the appearance of food on UK shelves and in schools with added sodium fluoride, to putting microchips in animals, to police beatings and riots here there and everywhere.

The Channel created by DAVE
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAlexJonesChannel

So. the New World Order - precautionary tale, paranoiacs fantasy, interesting internet phenomenon that shows us we are truly entering a Global Village, pile of stinking horsedung or The Truth ? Let the New World Order and its evidence be debated civilly and with an open mind HERE, please.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Sat Jan 24, 2009 12:52 pm

Speaking of Alex Jones: Check this out. Don't switch it off, wait for the end, see Alex have a meltdown.



Fraid I'm not a fan of Alex. I like cold hard logic. Alex seems to use a dash of truth mixed with a liberal dose of imagination. One can get caught up in conspiracies and the real sad part of this is that lots of time can be invested in arguing and pursuing ghosts, when the results of these 'ghosts' and reality are the same. I'd prefer to look at actualities, discuss and solve them, afterwords is when there might be time to discuss the genesis of these issues. Play with the cards that are face up on the table, you can still win and nobody can deny what's acutely visible.

Take the 'truthers' for instance. They've spent the last eight years screaming that 911 was an inside job. If it were admitted today that it was an inside job, the truther movement would be irrelevant tomorrow. On the other hand, the 'War on Terror' would still be in full swing and civil rights would still be ignored and stripped. Instead of focussing on the problems, the truthers have gone chasing the cause, on a wing and a prayer.

Having said that, I'm not looking to start a 911 debate. I just used it as an example. Maybe I shoulda used chemtrails?
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:06 pm

Haven't watched it yet but think I saw it before - if it was on the subject of police brutality. He lost it alright.

Cold hard facts and a liberal dose of the imagination is Alex Jones alright. In fairness to him he's obsessed with politics and puts a lot of subjects and themes in the light and returns to them again and again. Once you know where he is coming it's my belief that you can assimilate information a lot quicker than mainstream news but it's also possible to label it propaganda or ideology or something like that. But he's absolutely tireless it seems - he's made films, documentaries, radio, tv, websites etc. etc. etc. and I click on his above Channel now and again and it seems he is now making blogs while driving to his studio ! Does the fecker sleep at all !

I've heard the word 'chemtrails' out of the corner of my ear but haven't got around to understand what it is yet.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:15 pm

I don't think it's the same video Audi. This one is brand new. It's titled "Message To The New World Order (2009)."

You haven't been accosted by folks in white bio-hazard jumpsuits informing you about the dangers of chemtrails yet? You don't know what you've been missing. Doubtless you'll encounter them soon, they're breeding like flies.

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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:45 pm

The full version is below. He had a 15 year-old child on - Robert Wanek - who was talking about oppression of freedom of speech in schools.

Alex started talking about the police and accounted some incidents of police brutality and then went on to nearly induce a heartattack in himself.

To my knowledge I don't think this is representative of the Alex Jones Show by and large. He lost it but is normally composed but very firm.

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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:35 pm

Jesus!

That's something else. Jones is using a tried and trusted methodology (though he's probably not doing it deliberately). He's carpet bombing the intellect in a forceful manner with facts. Mixed in with this, he's carpet bombing the intellect in a forceful manner with bullshit. This methodology is very effective with the meek and the lunatics (not making a comparison). The only problem being that this is the very same behaviour that he's accusing the authorities of.

Here's a different clip that deals with the NWO. This time it's David Icke, the former son of God.



Exact same methodology as Jones. Some facts and some (lots of) shite. But he's not ramming it down your throat. He's appealing to authority (which is a bit hypocritical). He claims that scientists are now catching up with what he's been saying for decades (pure unfiltered shite). Funnily enough, this will also appeal to the meek and the loons (again I'm not making a comparison). This is much less subtle than Jones and is good for comparing the methodologies being used. This is simply a freefall rave. Rather than talk about fixing the problems he points out, he instead tries to portion out blame, in this case the illumanati (controlled by the lizards - though he doesn't get that far in this clip). David Icke says lots of interesting things (at times) and indeed his fearlessness of the authorities and his contempt for them is legendary. But he cancels himself out, he misdirects and the point is missed. He himself does exactly what he claims the authorities/illumanati/lizards are trying to do.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:20 pm

It's an old old meme - same as the "Jews control the world" meme. My first encounter with it was in the very pre-Internet days of 1979, on a bunch of mimeographed sheets I found at Heathrow Airport, detailing how an immortal clique ruled the world - how they were the Gods of Ancient Greece, and were now the Traffic Wardens. The author knew that because traffic wardens were always harassing him for his 'truth'.

The Internet is just a kind of enormous floating fair for conspiracy theorists - puts them in touch with each other when before they had to hang out separately reading Von Daniken and preparing to resist the UN.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:14 pm

Von Daniken! I still have his book in the attic. Me and a few friends read it 20 years ago in school and got about 2 years of in jokes and knowing references out of it. You can't buy entertainment like that, not back in the day anyway, when we hadn't two pennies to rub together. I must reread it. I wonder is it still as hilarious as it seemed?
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:23 pm

Meme = a viral concept spreading through the internet or, in long,

Quote :
A meme (pronounced /miːm/) comprises a unit or element of cultural ideas, symbols or practices; such units or elements transmit from one mind to another through speech, gestures, rituals, or other imitable phenomena. The etymology of the term relates to the Greek word mimema for mimic.[1]
wikipedia

NWO has a feature of cults, which is gradual revelation of "knowledge" by drip feed as a person is elevated up the pecking order of followers.
When you get to the top of the ladder you find anti-semitism, or lizards, or both.

The NWO meme clearly divorces people from reality and also is a white noise covering up other, rational, social critiques. For these reasons, plus the provision of scapegoats, is generally beneficial to the status quo. However, I think as social unrest and crisis exerts its pressure, there will be big right and left splits in NWO followers, keeping pace with changing political trends.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:08 pm

coc wrote:
Von Daniken! I still have his book in the attic. Me and a few friends read it 20 years ago in school and got about 2 years of in jokes and knowing references out of it. You can't buy entertainment like that, not back in the day anyway, when we hadn't two pennies to rub together. I must reread it. I wonder is it still as hilarious as it seemed?

Velikovsky as well...
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:38 pm

What did Jones say that was incorrect. The cops killed the girl here in Boston and what part of the picture of the woman getting her throat squeezed with the baton do ye not understand.

Did ye not see the video Audi put up of the lad getting plugged a few days.

Ye are afraid of the truth. All leaders are calling for a NWO but ye think it is bunk by lizards.

I told ye from day 1 that the economies were going to be collapsed and the middle class totally, and I mean totally, wiped out. Ye think it was all accidental despite the fact that it mathematically impossible for it to be different.

Anyway it is now or never for the NWO people so we shall see what the next few weeks hold
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:28 pm

The market is imploding: there is no doubt in my mind that poverty and war are the best that we'll get out of it now. I think it is unfixable, and that planned economies and social ownership is the only alternative. Globalism is just too successful and production has extended so much that its virtually impossible to make profit and without profit, it collapses. We only have to look at Iceland to see where it's going. The middle classes are at the end of the line, all right, I don't see the wherewithal to keep us in the style to which we are accustomed in the future.

I have never heard any proposal from the NWO people of how to solve anything, that doesn't sound as if it involves going back to the stone age. We can do better than that.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:39 pm

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The market is imploding: there is no doubt in my mind that poverty and war are the best that we'll get out of it now. I think it is unfixable, and that planned economies and social ownership is the only alternative. Globalism is just too successful and production has extended so much that its virtually impossible to make profit and without profit, it collapses. We only have to look at Iceland to see where it's going. The middle classes are at the end of the line, all right, I don't see the wherewithal to keep us in the style to which we are accustomed in the future.

I have never heard any proposal from the NWO people of how to solve anything, that doesn't sound as if it involves going back to the stone age. We can do better than that.
The market is imploding but the NWO idea has it that it is deliberate .. which I don't find so outlandish an idea. With FIAT currencies it seems there can be pulling of strings by a theoretical few....

But you're right it seems there is no solution provided by the Anti-NWO group bar a call to war against the NWO ...
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:45 pm

Auditor #9 wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
The market is imploding: there is no doubt in my mind that poverty and war are the best that we'll get out of it now. I think it is unfixable, and that planned economies and social ownership is the only alternative. Globalism is just too successful and production has extended so much that its virtually impossible to make profit and without profit, it collapses. We only have to look at Iceland to see where it's going. The middle classes are at the end of the line, all right, I don't see the wherewithal to keep us in the style to which we are accustomed in the future.

I have never heard any proposal from the NWO people of how to solve anything, that doesn't sound as if it involves going back to the stone age. We can do better than that.
The market is imploding but the NWO idea has it that it is deliberate .. which I don't find so outlandish an idea. With FIAT currencies it seems there can be pulling of strings by a theoretical few....

But you're right it seems there is no solution provided by the Anti-NWO group bar a call to war against the NWO ...

You know more about the NWO than me Auditor #9, and NWO people like to make a mystery out of what they believe. Any chance of a quick run down ?
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:06 am

cactus flower wrote:
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When you get to the top of the ladder you find anti-semitism, or lizards, or both.

Thank you for this summary CF. What a relief I don't have to work through the craziness.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Mon Jan 26, 2009 8:50 pm

Jones and others believe the world is heading more and more towards a Global Police State and that this is intentional and guided - at times through Terrorism Legislation. Look what happened this lady below for firmly chastising her children on board a flight ...



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Tamera Jo Freeman lost custody of her children after an incident on a Frontier Airlines flight. "A woman spanking her child is not as great a threat to aviation as members of Al Qaeda with box cutters," says one expert.

At least 200 passengers have been convicted of felonies under the Patriot Act, often for behavior involving raised voices and profanity. Some experts say airlines are misusing the law.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-airline-felonies20-2009jan20,0,5468299.story

From Alex Jones interview with a bit of a Doubting Thomas, Joe Rogan
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=sdW5q7j4ID4&feature=channel
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:33 pm

Auditor #9 wrote:
Jones and others believe the world is heading more and more towards a Global Police State and that this is intentional and guided - at times through Terrorism Legislation. Look what happened this lady below for firmly chastising her children on board a flight ...



Look at those eyes though, thereís a Fine Gaeler in there trying to get out, if Iím any judge.
Lord love her kids.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:57 pm

To be honest, most of the time, why invoke a conspiracy theory when laziness, incompetence and greed on the part of the authorites (and often, those who elect them) is more than adequate to explain the facts.

As an example, would those shareholders in Anglo Irish Bank have been so keen on stringent regulation in 2006 when they were trading at 17 yoyos a share??

Would we have been happy with service cuts, pay cuts and higher taxes when the exchequer was in surplus??

People often claim that it is the pinnacle of psychological health to live in the present, but this tends to mean that necessary reforms cannot be implemented
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:45 pm

expat girl wrote:
To be honest, most of the time, why invoke a conspiracy theory when laziness, incompetence and greed on the part of the authorites (and often, those who elect them) is more than adequate to explain the facts.

As an example, would those shareholders in Anglo Irish Bank have been so keen on stringent regulation in 2006 when they were trading at 17 yoyos a share??

Would we have been happy with service cuts, pay cuts and higher taxes when the exchequer was in surplus??

People often claim that it is the pinnacle of psychological health to live in the present, but this tends to mean that necessary reforms cannot be implemented

Well put.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:00 am

cactus flower wrote:
The market is imploding: there is no doubt in my mind that poverty and war are the best that we'll get out of it now. I think it is unfixable, and that planned economies and social ownership is the only alternative. Globalism is just too successful and production has extended so much that its virtually impossible to make profit and without profit, it collapses. We only have to look at Iceland to see where it's going. The middle classes are at the end of the line, all right, I don't see the wherewithal to keep us in the style to which we are accustomed in the future.
At what point do we need to stockpile the tinned food? At what level do we need to arm?
cactus flower wrote:
I have never heard any proposal from the NWO people of how to solve anything, that doesn't sound as if it involves going back to the stone age. We can do better than that.
It sounds like you're predicting guns and tinned food. Not quite stone age, but it'll be a bit of a jolt to the good burghers of Rathgar all the same.

Let's see if the anarchists win the elections in Iceland. Then we'll see a new approach. We'll have six months to see how that is panning out before we collapse ourselves if the jokes are to believed.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:17 am

coc wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
The market is imploding: there is no doubt in my mind that poverty and war are the best that we'll get out of it now. I think it is unfixable, and that planned economies and social ownership is the only alternative. Globalism is just too successful and production has extended so much that its virtually impossible to make profit and without profit, it collapses. We only have to look at Iceland to see where it's going. The middle classes are at the end of the line, all right, I don't see the wherewithal to keep us in the style to which we are accustomed in the future.
At what point do we need to stockpile the tinned food? At what level do we need to arm?
cactus flower wrote:
I have never heard any proposal from the NWO people of how to solve anything, that doesn't sound as if it involves going back to the stone age. We can do better than that.
It sounds like you're predicting guns and tinned food. Not quite stone age, but it'll be a bit of a jolt to the good burghers of Rathgar all the same.

Let's see if the anarchists win the elections in Iceland. Then we'll see a new approach. We'll have six months to see how that is panning out before we collapse ourselves if the jokes are to believed.

You have a point there, but I would hope it would be a temporary measure (the tinned food), rather a permanent one, and I am not a fan of guns. When this site started, I spent some time trying to persuade people of the merits of keeping chickens and having a well stocked larder. I think I only convinced myself: the chickens are doing well: they have a lot more personality than I had expected before I met them.

I have every hope for the future, but things are going to change, and the indications are that this is a seismic historic shift - the bursting of a bubble that had been building up since the end of WW2 and also a massive shift globally in terms of east west.

Its the Left-Greens, or Green-Lefts, I think, that may win the elections in Iceland.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Tue Jan 27, 2009 12:39 am

Urban dwellers can't be self sufficient food wise. We need the State to organise that for us. The current crowd aren't up to it. It may all end in tears yet. I can't see anyone tolerating billions for the banks and builders while schools and hospitals are being ravaged. If the State doesn't cop on you'll need the guns to defend your chickens. Interesting times.
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:16 am

This one is about an Act for "Fema" camps ?? Anyone know what a fema camp is - it sounds like boyscouts ..

HR 645 Fema Camps Establishment Act

1min 24sec
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:53 am

Federal Emergency Management Agency. Camps to be used in the event of a state of martial law existing. First established after the 2005 hurricanes I gather http://www.fema.gov/news/recentnews.fema
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PostSubject: Re: Evidence of the "New World Order"   Thu Jan 29, 2009 4:39 am

FEMA Camps are the camps that Papal Kmight told Destiny Soldier did not exist over on P.ie last year.

Destiny Soldier is without doubt the best overall poster on P.ie in my opinion. He is a FF man and not a market watcher but if I were forced to pick one it would be him. There are a few very respected financial guys both here and there.
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