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PostSubject: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:17 pm

I'm not sure how long this will last.


(Link deleted by cf 4.3.09 in case of ongoing problems.)

[mod] This link is down and has been switched off - may have caused some computers to crash. Hope there was no harm done.

Thanks to Frightened Albanian for spotting it. Audi [/mod]
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PostSubject: Re: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:17 pm

This is a better link. Just been watching it. Makes me feel very very lucky to be living in Galway!
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PostSubject: Re: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:30 pm

floatingingalway wrote:
This is a better link. Just been watching it. Makes me feel very very lucky to be living in Galway!

It looks to have been another awful 24 hours.
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PostSubject: Re: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:31 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:33 pm

I wonder if it would work on the Portal.
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PostSubject: Re: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:34 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:47 pm

I don't think the liveleak one is live but is very recently recorded. It's CNN footage looks like.
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PostSubject: Re: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:58 pm

A disturbing video has been doing the rounds of youtube which shows a child burned by white phosphorous, but is too graphic for youtube to keep so it was quickly removed.

This is what white phosphorous looks like over Gaza, you might see it in the Webcams :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X73idhOLK7o

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White phosphorus 'burns to the bone'

It causes skin to melt away from the bone and can break down a victim's jawbone, but white phosphorus - known in Vietnam as Willie Pete - is still used by sections of the world's military.

Similar to Napalm, the chemical substance is used in shells and grenades, igniting spontaneously at around 30C to produce an intense heat and thick pillars of smoke.

"These weapons are particularly nasty because white phosphorus continues to burn until it disappears. If service members are hit by pieces of white phosphorus, it could burn right down to the bone."

While the use of the material is not specifically banned, it is covered by Protocol III of the 1980 Convention on Conventional Weapons, which prohibits use of the substance as an incendiary weapon against civilian populations and in air attacks against military forces in civilian areas.

Though the UK and 80 other countries are signatories to protocol III, the United States is not.
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PostSubject: Re: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:14 pm

So far this version of that burned child video hasn't been removed. It's fairly disturbing - the dead baby is like a charred black doll with most of its lower body missing, burned away.



Other copy of it here
http://forum.uncoverreality.com/audio-video/58179-raw-baby-got-burned-death-gaza.html


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PostSubject: Re: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:31 pm

That is horrific! If this was shown on mainstream television it would shock people out of their indifference to what is happening there. Unfortunately our media will keep that sort of footage to themselves.

Does anyone know who will be attending the meeting in the Dáil tomorrow with the Israeli and Palestinian envoys? That video should be emailed to all TDs attending.
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PostSubject: Re: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:46 pm

Auditor #9 wrote:
So far this version of that burned child video hasn't been removed. It's fairly disturbing - the dead baby is like a charred black doll with most of its lower body missing, burned away.



Auditor can you give me the actual link, I cant work out how to get it from what you've posted.
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PostSubject: Re: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:54 pm

Aragon wrote:
Auditor #9 wrote:
So far this version of that burned child video hasn't been removed. It's fairly disturbing - the dead baby is like a charred black doll with most of its lower body missing, burned away.



Auditor can you give me the actual link, I cant work out how to get it from what you've posted.
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If you double-click on an embedded file like that above you will often be taken to youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmClNcEAACo

I've just downloaded her video as well - let's see how long it lasts ... (maybe it's already gone). This fella's link to another copy of it was whipped away
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erQYcAoP0XY
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PostSubject: Re: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:14 am

White phosphorus is prohibited under international protocols as it's an 'incendiary weapon' according to this CNN report on it. There are question marks over whether it is used or not but is outlawed by the Geneva convention as an anti-personnel weapon so it shouldn't be used in populous areas.

The Israelies are saying it's used as a smokescreen to disguise their ground troops.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq-b_40IKfs
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PostSubject: Re: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Wed Jan 14, 2009 2:27 pm

There is more about white phosphorus on the main Gaza thread. It is so toxic that even quite a small burn is often fatal after a few days. Children obviously don't stand a chance.
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PostSubject: Re: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Wed Jan 14, 2009 3:13 pm

People might be in interested in the Night Vigil with Gaza that is taking place on Medialens every night between 12am and 4am. Israel carries out most of its bombing raids during the night, which is terrifying for people, especially the children - many of whom are showing signs of severe psychological trauma. Al Jazeera English news from their Washington bureau have live coverage from Ramattan television so its possible to watch what is going on and to share the situation in some way with the Gazans. Word is out that this vigil is taking place and it is hoped that Palestinians outside Gaza and within will hear that people are watching so they feel less alone. Maybe Israel too, if there are enough of these vigils, and despite their determinatin to black out all media coverage may feel it is being made accountable.
Maybe MN folk would be interested in starting their own vigil each night? There are other good sources of news too which people can watch and share thoughts and ideas about what is happening and what we here can do to try to help stop this terrible attack.


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PostSubject: Re: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Wed Jan 14, 2009 8:27 pm

There is a daily women's vigil for Gaza at 5 pm at Lynch's Castle, Galway. I haven't made it down there yet myself as the time is awkward but seemingly there's been a great turnout each night


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PostSubject: Re: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:43 pm

Aragon wrote:
People might be in interested in the Night Vigil with Gaza that is taking place on Medialens every night between 12am and 4am. Israel carries out most of its bombing raids during the night, which is terrifying for people, especially the children - many of whom are showing signs of severe psychological trauma. Al Jazeera English news from their Washington bureau have live coverage from Ramattan television so its possible to watch what is going on and to share the situation in some way with the Gazans. Word is out that this vigil is taking place and it is hoped that Palestinians outside Gaza and within will hear that people are watching so they feel less alone. Maybe Israel too, if there are enough of these vigils, and despite their determinatin to black out all media coverage may feel it is being made accountable.
Maybe MN folk would be interested in starting their own vigil each night? There are other good sources of news too which people can watch and share thoughts and ideas about what is happening and what we here can do to try to help stop this terrible attack.

There are a number of people blogging from Gaza so it is possible to get in touch that way.
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PostSubject: Re: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:45 pm

I have a friend in Gaza but the place where they work was bombed so they can't exactly get in touch anymore. I would have brought you news otherwise and will do if the situation changes.
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PostSubject: I am the Vlogger....And Thank You   Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:43 am

Hi, I'm the person who put this vlog up on you tube. I just want to thank you so much for helping to spread the truth about the situation in Gaza. I'm not anti-Israel or pro-Hamas, but (without sounding poetic or dellusion!! Laughing ) I am anti-injustice, and the things that these innocent civilians are being put through, is nothing short of genocide.

Also, just to let you know that my video has yet to be either flagged or pulled from You Tube. Maybe because I haven't 'advertised' the fact that there is graphic footage in it re You Tube not pulling it. I am still amazed that some idiot hasn't flagged it, so maybe it is shocking sense into some people. Or shocking them out of their constant state of apathy.

Many thanks for your help in getting the word out.

Peace.

Elaine Greene (http://www.youtube.com/911tourettes)


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PostSubject: Re: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:04 am

Good god, that is horrendous.
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PostSubject: Re: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:14 am

Ah hi tourettes911 ! I've subscribed as 'machinenation' so that's me, or this site. Your videos are controversial - looks like you already had one removed for playing background music yeah right

For all that that was shocking and horrible I wasn't shocked and normally am so squeamish about those things. I don't know why that is. I've seen dozens of images of dead children already throughout this Gaza episode and during the last invasion of Lebanon in 2006 and I think people get de-sensitised which is more shocking.

Is it white phosphorus, no doubt do you think ?
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PostSubject: Re: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:10 pm

Pat Kenny just said that an unconfirmed report is on the wires that the U.N. HQ in Gaza has been hit by White Phosphorus bombs. Half of the Israeli nation should be relocated to The Hague if true.

Or the U.N. properly white phosphorus bombed and put out of its useless misery once and for all.
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PostSubject: Re: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:16 pm

I was in Tescos yesterday and was shocked to see how much produce in the fruit/veg dept was from Israel. How about starting a Boycott Tesco campaign?
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PostSubject: Re: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:21 pm

Welcome here elainec and thanks for posting here.

The white phosphorus is clearly visible falling during tv coverage pretty well since the beginning of this and before the Israelis sent any troops in. Again its seems they are using uranium tipped bombs and we know from Afghanistan and Iraq the birth defects will be dreadful. I had a shock when I looked at what the Israelis had used in the Lebanon - white phosphorus, cluster bombs and uranium tipped missiles, and all against people with a few guns and mortars.

People are complaining about children going on demonstrations against this, but children have seen on television what is happening and they want to go and demonstrate.
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PostSubject: Re: Live Webcam in Gaza / White phosphorus bombs / Israel declares Unilateral Ceasefire -Troops pull out   Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:25 pm

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I was in Tescos yesterday and was shocked to see how much produce in the fruit/veg dept was from Israel. How about starting a Boycott Tesco campaign?

Fruit boycott is a good idea because it is fairly instant in effect. People should have a letter ready to hand to the store manager to tell them that they are boycotting and why.

Also a lot of the fruit is grown on illegally occupied Palestinian land.

Perhaps someone could do up a letter and post it here as a pdf. so that anyone who wants to can either print it or copy it?
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