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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:34 pm

Frightened Albanian wrote:
cookiemonster wrote:
I'm a Rome Y Julieta man myself.
and Poland? there is no point in talking to you unless you give us a bit of a laugh (rarely) some Libertas info (rarely). In fact I am wondering whether talking to you is comparable to eating Jaffa oranges
Poland is an ancient nation that was conceived near the middle of the 10th century. Its golden age occurred in the 16th century. During the following century, the strengthening of the gentry and internal disorders weakened the nation. In a series of agreements between 1772 and 1795, Russia, Prussia, and Austria partitioned Poland amongst themselves. Poland regained its independence in 1918 only to be overrun by Germany and the Soviet Union in World War II. It became a Soviet satellite state following the war, but its government was comparatively tolerant and progressive. Labor turmoil in 1980 led to the formation of the independent trade union "Solidarity" that over time became a political force and by 1990 had swept parliamentary elections and the presidency. A "shock therapy" program during the early 1990s enabled the country to transform its economy into one of the most robust in Central Europe, but Poland still faces the lingering challenges of high unemployment, underdeveloped and dilapidated infrastructure, and a poor rural underclass. Solidarity suffered a major defeat in the 2001 parliamentary elections when it failed to elect a single deputy to the lower house of Parliament, and the new leaders of the Solidarity Trade Union subsequently pledged to reduce the Trade Union's political role. Poland joined NATO in 1999 and the European Union in 2004. With its transformation to a democratic, market-oriented country largely completed, Poland is an increasingly active member of Euro-Atlantic organizations.
More from my friends at the CIA
I'm not here to make you laugh nor is anybody forcing you to read anything I write. 
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:31 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:33 pm

cactus flower wrote:
Sleep

Nobody is forcing you to read it either.
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:50 pm

cookiemonster wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
Sleep

Nobody is forcing you to read it either.


Shocked Wozzat!
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:51 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:52 pm

"During the following century, the strengthening of the gentry and internal disorders weakened the nation." quote Cookie

Talking sense and getting a bit technical is too much for some.

However I would like to comment on this very important sentence and the millions that died in consequence. The situation in Poland was indeed a bit different from other countries at the time. The nobles were powerfull relative to the power the central state could muster. They were able to field armies of their own and were not to be bullied. However the surrounding states had strong central authority and therefore could field large armies because their nobles had no choice but to cough up the men and money.

Same thing with Irish history.

Now however is the time for regional kingdoms
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:58 pm

youngdan wrote:

Now however is the time for regional kingdoms

Bring it on! I already have the castle.
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:24 am

Well give us a rundown of Ganley's weekend and the Czech disaster for Libertas?
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:26 am

Frightened Albanian wrote:
Well give us a rundown of Ganley's weekend and the Czech disaster for Libertas?

Why don't you give us a rundown?
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:31 am

cookiemonster wrote:
Frightened Albanian wrote:
Well give us a rundown of Ganley's weekend and the Czech disaster for Libertas?

Why don't you give us a rundown?

I only have the press on the Czech rejection of Livertas you have the inside dope so how will Declan Ganley and Libertas regroup in Czech Republic? Does this mean that the courting of Klaus was a waste of din din money. Where next?
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:39 am

Frightened Albanian wrote:
cookiemonster wrote:
Frightened Albanian wrote:
Well give us a rundown of Ganley's weekend and the Czech disaster for Libertas?

Why don't you give us a rundown?

I only have the press on the Czech rejection of Livertas you have the inside dope so how will Declan Ganley and Libertas regroup in Czech Republic? Does this mean that the courting of Klaus was a waste of din din money. Where next?

You tell me, you're the one who knows all, ain't ya?
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:50 am

Well, when it comes to Libertas Cookie, you are not informative.
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:51 am

cactus flower wrote:
Well, when it comes to Libertas Cookie, you are not informative.

I'm supposed to be?
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:44 am

Well he ain't boasting anyway so we may infer that it is a big setback to have this Czech rejection.
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:50 am

Frightened Albanian wrote:
Well he ain't boasting anyway so we may infer that it is a big setback to have this Czech rejection.

I don't think so, The Czech party's leader said a while back when they formed that they would have no problwm working closely with Libertas but didn't intent to run as Libertas candidates. Of course you knew that already, as you know everything, don't you?
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:51 am

CF can you post the full text of Ganleys Islam speech?
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:04 am

Frightened Albanian wrote:
CF can you post the full text of Ganleys Islam speech?

You started a discussion on it and you don't have it? Oh, no... wait, you didn't start a discussion, you just copied and pasted (badly) somebody elses work into a thread and didn't even have the good grace to add you own opinions. Bad show, old bean, bad show...
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:15 am

First post again to remind you



by Frightened Albanian on Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:22 ami can't see the pan European thread so posting new one. Some insights into Ganley
"The storm is gathering apace, it will present itself with spectacular effect in the cities of the west soon enough,
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Irish Examiner
September 25, 2008 Thursday
Ganley: Mullahs are laughing behind closed doors

SECTION: IRELAND

LENGTH: 582 words


The
anti-Lisbon campaigner, whose company, Rivada Networks, has lucrative
contracts with the US military, warned of the consequences of an
American pullout from Iraq, saying it would hand a "truly historic" victory to the Islamic radicals.
"This
is not Vietnam, it's much more serious," Mr Ganley wrote in the 2006
paper. "Regardless of the historic reasons, the fact remains that Iraq
is the main battleground of Islamic radicalism against the west. The
Islamists themselves have said so plenty of times. They are shortly to
be handed a victory quite unlike any seen for Islamist forces for
centuries."
The knock-on effect would be seen
through the Middle East, he predicted, and a fallback to standard
diplomacy would be of little use.
"As the US and
Europe start yet another round of dialogue with Syria and Iran, the
Mullahs are rolling around laughing behind closed doors - they did not
cave in when we had leverage, now they will declare 'the Emperor has no
clothes'," Mr Ganley added.
Iran
was "near guaranteed" to acquire nuclear weapons with little real
resistance, "save for at worst a few impotent 'look tough' Cruise
missile strikes or 'surgical raids' for the benefit of CNN and Fox News
viewers, even these options being hampered by a delusional Vladimir
Putin happily selling Russian anti-aircraft missile systems to Iran,"
Mr Ganley wrote.
"The fact is that, if Iraq
and Iran were to be tamed and security risks eliminated, full
mobilisation for war would have to be carried out, complete with
drafts, rationing and all of what Churchill referred to as the 'blood,
toil, tears and sweat' that it takes to secure overwhelming victory.
"The
Islamic radicals look at the western world and discern that we are too
'relative', unwilling to sacrifice, decadent, lacking real belief in a
cause, devoid of faith and what they consider too weak to go the
distance."
As the pullout from Iraq commenced, the radicals' confidence would be emboldened, he said.
"The
storm is gathering apace, it will present itself with spectacular
effect in the cities of the west soon enough," Mr Ganley wrote.
"So,
given that the admirably peace-loving, civilised and educated peoples
of the western world have overwhelmingly shown that they do not wish to
join the struggle in which radical Islam would have us engage, what can
we do to offset the risk that they won't have the decency to leave us
alone because we don't want to argue the point their way?" he asked.
One
answer - and the topic of the paper - was for the west to cut its
dependence on Middle Eastern oil and gas. "We may end up discovering
that the recipients of our energy euro and dollars become outright
enemies of everything we stand for."
Mr Ganley
wrote the paper in August 2006 as an addendum to the report on that
year's "Forum on Public Safety in Europe and North America", a
conference his company held in the University of Limerick to discuss
global security issues.
The report was distributed
to a number of governments but not published publicly, according to the
forum's website. However, the paper has since been made available on
Libertas's website.
The
paper came at a time when the White House was awaiting recommendations
from the bipartisan Iraq Study Group, which reported in December 2006.
The Study Group recommended a phased withdrawal from Iraq and a renewed diplomatic push to halt the violence in the country.
But in the end, US President George W Bush ignored the study group's recommendations and sent more troops to Iraq.
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:18 am

Frightened Albanian wrote:
First post again to remind you

Unlikely I would have forgotten seeing how I posted about it in my last post...
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:14 pm

In answer to your question, FA, I'll have to look it out - it has been deleted from the Libertas website although there was an edited version there until recently (still there?)

Here is a summary I posted on P.ie earlier last year:

"The Libertas website hosts, amongst other things, a quite extraordinary piece of writing by Ganley titled "The Cure at Troy".

http://www.libertas.org/content/view/82/90/

Ganley bemoans the decadence and feebleness of the west who lacked the will to fully commit to victory in the middle east oil producing countries ( and Afghanistan ). He also regrets the defeat of the brutish and thieving Second Crusade and considers the rise of Saddin the end of civilisation (!). There is no notion of an awareness of the rich culture of learning that was Islam and on which our modern culture rests as much as on the Greeks and Romans (mathematics, astrology, secular poetry etc etc etc)

Ganley considers the prospect of withdrawal from Iraq as disaster.

On Iran his view is that the attitude of the west is similarly decadent and feeble and speculates that they will get "nuclear weapons with little real resistance, save for at worst a few impotent “look tough” Cruise missile strikes or “surgical raids” for the benefit of CNN and Fox News viewers, even these options being hampered by a delusional Vladimir Putin happily selling Russian anti-aircraft missile systems to Iran."

I would not want to be on the wrong side of one of Ganley' "be tough" raids if a "look tough" raid involves cruise missiles.

Ganley's answer to ths is "entrepreneurship". We stop using middle eastern oil by grant aiding bidders who would develop and market unnamed new sources.

I will probably be voting no, and consider the fact that Ganley is plainly a dangerous looper to be no impediment from doing so. "

http://www.politics.ie/lisbon-treaty/26764-libertas-islamic-threat-lost-crusade.html

More comments on it here -
http://machinenation.forumakers.com/general-history-f4/el-andalus-a-lesson-for-a-better-future-between-islam-and-the-west-t589.htm
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