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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Sun Jan 11, 2009 7:04 pm

Just been looking at the Libertas site. They have removed the facts page where they made the attepmt to answer the issues brought up by Primetime and various posters on P.ie (all banned) and here. Luckily I have a copy.

Cactus there is an intern program we missed out on
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Libertas interns’ training programme will be run by leading
academics under the lead of Jens-Peter Bonde, the most longstanding and
experienced Member and group leader of the European Parliament, who
also wrote 60 books about European integration and has a lexicon on the
net – see euabc.com and Bonde.com.

You will work in the brand
new Libertas office in the heart of the EU, next to the European
Commission, the Council and the European Parliament
Wow working next door to the elite filled European
Commission, the Council and the European Parliament would be an elitefest.There seems to be no new info on individual countries. Still the begging for donations and candidates of calibre
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:16 pm

Frightened Albanian wrote:
Just been looking at the Libertas site. They have removed the facts page where they made the attepmt to answer the issues brought up by Primetime and various posters on P.ie (all banned) and here. Luckily I have a copy.

Those posters were banned because of their behaviour towards other posters on politics.ie not because of their questions about Libertas and you are well aware of that.

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Cactus there is an intern program we missed out on
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Libertas interns’ training programme will be run by leading
academics under the lead of Jens-Peter Bonde, the most longstanding and
experienced Member and group leader of the European Parliament, who
also wrote 60 books about European integration and has a lexicon on the
net – see euabc.com and Bonde.com.

You will work in the brand
new Libertas office in the heart of the EU, next to the European
Commission, the Council and the European Parliament
Wow working next door to the elite filled European
Commission, the Council and the European Parliament would be an elitefest.There seems to be no new info on individual countries. Still the begging for donations and candidates of calibre

Indeed a great oppertunity, more here: http://jobs.euractiv.com/job/internship-1749
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:22 pm

cookiemonster wrote:
Frightened Albanian wrote:
Just been looking at the Libertas site. They have removed the facts page where they made the attepmt to answer the issues brought up by Primetime and various posters on P.ie (all banned) and here. Luckily I have a copy.

Those posters were banned because of their behaviour towards other posters on politics.ie not because of their questions about Libertas and you are well aware of that.

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Cactus there is an intern program we missed out on
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Libertas interns’ training programme will be run by leading
academics under the lead of Jens-Peter Bonde, the most longstanding and
experienced Member and group leader of the European Parliament, who
also wrote 60 books about European integration and has a lexicon on the
net – see euabc.com and Bonde.com.

You will work in the brand
new Libertas office in the heart of the EU, next to the European
Commission, the Council and the European Parliament
Wow working next door to the elite filled European
Commission, the Council and the European Parliament would be an elitefest.There seems to be no new info on individual countries. Still the begging for donations and candidates of calibre

Indeed a great oppertunity, more here: http://jobs.euractiv.com/job/internship-1749

Why remove the facts page? Some of them don't add up ?


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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:25 pm

Interns ! Smile

Who's paying for the Brussels office cookie? How big is it? Who pays the interns? Is this under the EU funding?

You are too far up the ladder to want to go for an internship, I suppose. Sad

Besides, Brussels is a bureaucratic hell full of an unaccountable elite.
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:31 pm

cactus flower wrote:
Interns ! Smile

Who's paying for the Brussels office cookie? How big is it? Who pays the interns? Is this under the EU funding?

You are too far up the ladder to want to go for an internship, I suppose. Sad

Besides, Brussels is a bureaucratic hell full of an unaccountable elite.

Libertas, Have a look yourself., Libertas, What EU funding?

Unfortunately €700 a month wouldn't cover my current outgoings so it's not an option for me. I would if I could.
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:21 pm

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Libertas, a new European political movement, is seeking to hire highly-qualified and talented students for a period of 6 months (January – June 2009) in Brussels to get involved in running a pan-European election campaign. Libertas is commited to reforming the EU so that it is democratic, accountable and transparent to its citizens.
Your credentials
You are a student or recent graduate with leadership skills and energy. You have organisation and project management skills. You want to change Europe. You have been involved in campaigning. You have an excellent feel for the political landscape in Europe and especially in your country. You want to get engaged and are willing to learn from leading personalities and decision-makers from the Brussels scene, and brilliant researchers and campaigners.
You are prepared to fully commit to a six-month experience of a lifetime with Libertas.
The Libertas Offer
Libertas interns’ training programme will be run by leading academics under the lead of Jens-Peter Bonde, the most longstanding and experienced Member and group leader of the European Parliament, who also wrote 60 books about European integration and has a lexicon on the net – see euabc.com and Bonde.com.
You will work in the brand new Libertas office in the heart of the EU, next to the European Commission, the Council and the European Parliament. You will be in the thick of an exciting election campaign. You will work with colleagues from 27 Member States. Libertas will contribute towards your cost of living with € 700 per month. You may well be in your home country in the month of May co-organising the election of our candidates to in the 2009 European elections.
Submit your 1 page full CV, cover letter, copies of diplomas/certificates and recommendation letters before 15th January.
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:01 am

Frightened Albanian wrote:
Just been looking at the Libertas site. They have removed the facts page where they made the attepmt to answer the issues brought up by Primetime and various posters on P.ie (all banned) and here. Luckily I have a copy.

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:DTgyvyKOz2gJ:www.libertas.eu/facts%3F83bb3bd4682129c02c1b533ffb5bf95d%3D34e69f481aad53023d338f94762a6637+facts+page+libertas+ganley&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=ie

Here it is anyway, in case you loose the one you have...
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 1:55 am

may as well put it here for ref

Facts not politics, learn the truth about Libertas


Libertas is a Eurosceptic organisation”

Libertas is not a Eurosceptic organisation. Libertas
is passionately pro-European. We believe that the European Union is one
of the most worthwhile, and laudable political projects in history,
and we are proud to be able to make some contribution to its future
success.

We believe that the growth in Euroscepticism over the
past decade threatens the future of the European project. We believe
that the widespread and justified concerns about the lack of democracy
in the European Union must be addressed now, at this moment, if the
project is to sustain the widespread support of the people of Europe,
as it should.

Our vision is of a united Europe, which recognises
and respects the right of citizens and nations to choose their own
destinies, but which encourages all Europeans to reach across the
borders of nationality, language, and culture to participate in and
invigorate a Union which equips us to meet the challenges of this next
phase of European History.

We do not see this ambition in
Brussels today. Instead we see an unaccountable elite determined to
bulldoze over the expressed will of the people of France, The
Netherlands, Ireland and all the peoples of Europe. We see an out of
touch clique that is unwilling to acknowledge that they are fuelling
Euroscepticism by their unwillingness to listen, and change.

Libertas
is not nor will ever be Eurosceptic, but we will listen to Eurosceptics
and all other opinion groups with the utmost respect. We will not
dismiss the concerns of voters and citizens, we will hear, respond and
act upon them. Only by that road can the Europe we envision be created.

Libertas shares the values of American Neo-Conservatives”

We absolutely do not.

Libertas believes in an international order based on respect and co-operation between the free peoples of the world.

“Declan Ganley made his money through the sale and supply of arms”


This is a poisonous lie. Declan Ganley
is not, and never has been, involved in the arms trade. His career
spans almost 20 years, starting in the early 1990’s building business
in the former Soviet Union’s forestry and export sectors. His
broadband telecommunications company, Broadnet, acquired wireless
broadband licences in ten European countries in the 1990’s. His current
venture, Rivada Networks, is a specialist broadband emergency
telecommunications provider which provides vital communications for
front line emergency response workers, particularly in disaster
scenarios such as hurricanes, earthquakes, floods and other emergency
situations where police, fire, medical and military units need to
communicate efficiently in order to save lives. Declan Ganley
was awarded The Louisiana Distinguished Service Medal for his company’s
response to Hurricane Katrina. The medal citation credits his actions
with saving lives in the aftermath of that natural disaster.

“Mr. Ganley has significant contracts with the US military”


Declan Ganley’s
company, Rivada Networks, provides highly specialised communications
technology to emergency services. In the United States, some of these
contracts are with the Department of Homeland Security, whose
responsibility it is to protect American citizens against the effects
of natural disasters, terrorist attacks, or other emergencies. Rivada
also has contracts with police departments and state emergency
services. It is when the National Guard and other branches of the
military provide ‘aid to the civil power’ that Rivada has a role with
them. Rivada’s systems and services are not, nor ever have been, used
in a war or conflict situation.

Rivada provides interoperable
and integrated communications for multi-emergency responder
collaboration - even where normal communications are disabled or
destroyed.

“Mr. Ganley profited from the Invasion of Iraq”

This is not true. Declan Ganley did not profit from the invasion of Iraq. Like many European business leaders, Declan Ganley
did look at a number of potential projects in Iraq in the
telecommunications re-building sector. He formed a consortium that
submitted a proposal for one of several mobile network build contracts
but the consortium was not awarded a contract. Later he also worked on
a project that considered options to build a police and emergency
communications network but decided not to proceed with that effort.
These projects were about the re-building of civil infrastructure in
that country and were not in any way ‘war’ related.

Libertas is a front for American Interests; it is funded by the CIA”

This is an outright lie and political slur. Neither Declan Ganley nor Libertas has ever had any connection with the CIA. Neither Declan Ganley, Libertas or any associate of Libertas
have ever received any funding, support or contact of any kind from the
CIA or any other similar entity. This rumour began when it was first
raised in the form of a baseless ‘question’ by a limited number of
unprincipled politicians on the ‘Yes’ side during the Irish referendum
campaign. It was later added to in an irresponsible comment by Alain
Juppé, the deputy French Foreign Minister, and subsequently by the
leader of the Greens, Daniel Cohn-Bendit, and even the President of the
European Parliament, Hans-Gert Pöttering.

When Libertas became a campaigning organisation for the Irish referendum, Mr Ganley
provided an initial loan facility to the organisation of €200,000 to
enable it to begin a fundraising campaign. Loans for organisations
such as Libertas are fully permissible under Irish law. Many Irish political parties have established loan arrangements in the past. Libertas will step up and continue to raise money across Europe from supporters in accordance with national and other relevant laws.

Libertas needs your help to fight the smears against our campaign.

“Mr. Ganley’s involvement in Albania left many thousands impoverished”


This story is the result of false rumours and originates from unreliable Albanian web sites. In 1996, Declan Ganley
was involved in the creation of the Anglo-Adriatic Investment fund. The
fund’s role was to help Albanian Citizens benefit from the
privatisation of Albanian state assets during the transition period
from Communism.

The Anglo-Adriatic Investment Fund was never
involved in the fraud associated with so-called pyramid banks or
pyramid schemes. Indeed it actively campaigned against such pyramid
schemes and called for them to be shut down.

Anglo-Adriatic was
established as the only licensed ‘privatisation voucher’ fund-holding
entity. The Albanian government were to identify a number of
state-owned assets of appropriate value that were to be privatised by
way of a voucher privatisation process. A limited number of vouchers
were issued to almost every household in Albania and the concept was
that the vouchers should be exchanged for a share of the assets to be
privatised by the Albanian government.

The objective of the
Anglo-Adriatic fund, as provided for in government legislation, was to
pool privatisation vouchers owned by Albanian voucher holders and to
enter into discussions with potential foreign investors who would bring
cash, expertise and other assets. The result was intended to be
privatised assets derived from the voucher holders’ shares that had the
benefit of external investment and know how to create added value for
all shareholders.

Albanian voucher holders who took the option
of pooling vouchers with Anglo Adriatic deposited their vouchers in the
Savings Bank of Albania (the appointed custodian bank for Anglo
Adriatic). This was part of the licensing conditions for Anglo
Adriatic. That is to say, Anglo Adriatic could never actually
physically hold those vouchers. Every single voucher placed into the
fund in this manner is still in physical existence today in the bank
vaults controlled by the Albanian Central Bank. Not one single voucher
investor has ‘lost’ their holding as the holding exists and is secured
in a vault belonging to Raiffeisen Bank under the control of the
Albanian Central Bank. Anglo-Adriatic has made multiple attempts to
have subsequent governments of Albania offer assets of appropriate
value in exchange for those vouchers.

Unfortunately, the
Albanian government has not done this to date. In deference to the
Albanian government, there have been some mitigating circumstances. In
1997, the collapse of the aforementioned pyramid schemes led to massive
civil unrest and a state of near civil war. This break down in civil
law and order resulted in a mass evacuation of foreign nationals
carried out by NATO forces including Italian, British, US, French and
other forces. Anglo-Adriatic staff were airlifted by the US Marine
Corps (who were responsible for securing the sector of Tirana where
Anglo Adriatic’s office was located) and flown to safety on the USS
Nassau which was stationed in the Adriatic. It is hoped and
anticipated that the Albanian government will eventually find an
appropriate mechanism to honour and redeem the Anglo Adriatic related
vouchers and thus provide those voucher holders with appropriate value
for their holdings.

The Competition Department of Albania submitted the following comments to the OECD global forum on competition in 2004.

In
our view point, the absence of competition culture in Albania
constitutes the root cause of impediments to competition. After the
approval of the law no. 8044 (7 December 1995) “On Competition”, the
competition structure has been established within the Ministry of
Economic Co-operation and Trade. But from year 1995 to 2001, there has
been no consistency in maintaining this structure in charge of
enforcing the competition law. The very specific weaknesses of this
competition structure include: lack of an appropriate legal framework,
lack of an independent institution, lack of sufficient and qualified
staff and lack of financial resources in conducting surveys for market
data collection.

http://www.rekabet.gov.tr/word/uluslararasi/CD/OECD2008/Reports/GlobalForum-February2004.pdf

Who is Kosta Trebicka?

Kosta
Trebicka died tragically on 9th September 2008 while driving his
off-road vehicle over mountainous terrain in Eastern Bulgaria.
Mr.Trebicka had come to public attention because he admirably ‘blew the
whistle’ on alleged public corruption and arms dealing in Albania. He
was a key witness in an important legal proceedings and his death was
reported by the New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/13/world/europe/13briefs-WHISTLEBLOWE_BRF.html?ref=world.

Put
briefly, Mr. Trebicka revealed that old Chinese ammunition was supplied
to the Afghan army by the US, using a company called AEY of Florida and
an off-shore shell company. It was alleged that the ammunition was
being sourced corruptly in an Albanian arms dump. See

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/27/world/asia/27ammo.html?_r=3&ref=washington&pagewanted=all

At
about the same time (March 2008) an Albanian arms depot blew up near
the village of Gerdec. This appalling disaster left 26 dead and 350
wounded. Some parts of the Albanian Press made a connection between
the quality and storage conditions of the Albanian munitions at Gerdec
and the stocks in the Afghan army supply scandal.

After the Irish referendum result and for reasons unknown to Libertas or Declan Ganley,
a number of untrue stories began to appear that falsely claimed that an
ongoing association existed between Mr. Trebicka and Declan Ganley. For example, on 10 August 2008, a web site called the Albanian Canadian League Information Service declared that

Mr. Trebicka and Mr. Kushi have been for a long time in constant contact with the President of Ganley Group, Declan Ganley, and still maintain a regular relationship with the manager of the fund Anglo-Adriatic", Declan Ganley”. Mr. Trebicka is quoted as saying: "Yes, I have often meetings with Declan Ganley and his brother, talking often”

http://www.albca.com/aclis/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1469

In fact, Mr. Trebicka never had a personal relationship with Declan Ganley nor did Declan Ganley,
to his knowledge, ever meet with Mr. Trebicka. It has even been
claimed that Mr. Trebicka had a ‘senior position’ in Anglo Adriatic and
that he was a director of Anglo Adriatic. All of these claims are
untrue.

Libertas has conducted an inquiry into the facts
behind these false claims. We have established that Mr. Trebicka was
for some period of time in 1996 or 1997 an employee or consultant for
the Albanian Savings Bank. In 1996, the Albanian Savings Bank had the
largest branch network in the country and was contracted by
Anglo-Adriatic to be the custodian of privatisation vouchers as
required by law. As part of that role, the Savings bank collected and
processed vouchers throughout their branch network. It seems most
likely that Mr Trebicka worked for the savings bank in some sort of
voucher processing role. Declan Ganley has no recollection of ever meeting Mr. Trebicka.

Libertas does not know why considerable effort has been expended on fabricating the appearance of a link between Declan Ganley and the late Mr. Trebicka. We presume it is to negatively affect Libertas efforts in campaigning for democracy and accountability at the heart of the Brussels establishment.

Conspiracy Theories

The concerns of the Brussels elite regarding Libertas can be seen in their true light in a piece called “Get Ganley!” written my Mark Mardell. See

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markmardell/2008/10/get_ganley.html

Recently, Libertas
has learned from reliable sources from within the European Parliament
that a senior staff member of the Parliament has been fanning the
flames of false news stories about Declan Ganley,
circulating the resulting press-cuttings to select members who then
treat the file contents as ‘new evidence’ of negative activities .

Libertas
believes that people who live in the real world will see through the
smears and attempted distraction and will listen to the arguments.
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:31 am

You have got to hand it to Libertas. Their ability to tell barefaced lies know no limits.

"Dick Roche is trying to create doubt about whether Ireland will hold on to its commissioner, he is simply scaremongering - Ireland has a veto presently to ensure it does not lose its commissioner, I call upon Dick Roche to set on the record that this veto will be used to protect Ireland's interests."

Ireland has no such veto and if some lawyer has told Libertas it does they should be struck off for incompetence.

Nice actually lays down two criteria.

When the EU hits 27 members (which it did in 2007) the next commission must have less than one commissioner per country. In other words, no veto - nada, zilch, non. The reduction is automatic and mandatory.

Where there is a veto in deciding how much of a reduction there must be. There can be a minimum of 1 commissioner and a maximum of the total number of countries minus 1. So that means the next commission must be between 1 and 26. It legally cannot be 27.

If European states cannot agree how much to reduce it by, then a commission cannot be formed. That is the legal situation. All that could happen is that the existing commission could be left in-situ as an acting commission. But a new commission of 27 members is legally impossible, and no about of huffing, puffing and bluffing, and downright lying by Libertas and Sinn Féin changes that. But then given the amount of barefaced lies they told ('internment of 3 year olds!!!) they seem to have adopted an approach of telling as many lies as they want in the hope that the media will swallow it.
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:01 am

PK that is typical of Libertas . Caroline Simons was terribly ill informed re the EU on a recent TV3 appearance. They will say anything to dodge a question and to spread fear and concern about issues that don't exist or are made up by them. The 3 year old arrest thing was an absolute lie.


The below is another big piece of fudge ville and worse.
Note that Libertas blames the Albanian government and more hypocritically the conditions in early 1997 in Albania which amounted to civil war. Ganley was in fact boasted right through this period that his was the only secure fund in Albania. He also continued pushing AAIF right into 1998 when he claimed to be involved in gas exploration and was looking for companies to buy off the Albanian government. Therefore it is thoroughly diengenuous to say the turmoil in Albania scuppered his fund. Two months after the worst of the trouble it was business as usual fro Ganley and he was still collecting funds according to the Guardian. The Observer reproted that he flew into Tiriana when his staff were supposedly being air lifted. Cookie says sataff does not mean Ganley. Either way Libertas blaming the civil conflict in 1997 for Anglo Adriatic Investment Fund problems is absolutly flying in the face of what Ganley was saying and doing at the time and on into 1998
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Anglo-Adriatic has made multiple attempts to
have subsequent governments of Albania offer assets of appropriate
value in exchange for those vouchers.

Unfortunately, the
Albanian government has not done this to date. In deference to the
Albanian government, there have been some mitigating circumstances. In
1997, the collapse of the aforementioned pyramid schemes led to massive
civil unrest and a state of near civil war. This break down in civil
law and order resulted in a mass evacuation of foreign nationals
carried out by NATO forces including Italian, British, US, French and
other forces. Anglo-Adriatic staff were airlifted by the US Marine
Corps (who were responsible for securing the sector of Tirana where
Anglo Adriatic’s office was located) and flown to safety on the USS
Nassau which was stationed in the Adriatic. It is hoped and
anticipated that the Albanian government will eventually find an
appropriate mechanism to honour and redeem the Anglo Adriatic related
vouchers and thus provide those voucher holders with appropriate value
for their holdings.
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:11 am

I think the question asked on the Albanian website was, were the vouchers held in the bank used as collateral/leverage to back the purchase of Cable Bulgaria?
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:09 am

cactus flower wrote:
I think the question asked on the Albanian website was, were the vouchers held in the bank used as collateral/leverage to back the purchase of Cable Bulgaria?
Could be;
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:22 am

Ganley's Czech plans seem scuppered. Now he has to start again there. He must be very disappointed. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/0112/1231515550133.html
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A NEW political party dedicated to campaigning against the Lisbon
Treaty in the Czech Republic will be launched today by close associates
of Czech president Vaclav Klaus. But in a blow to the
pan-European ambitions of Declan Ganley, its founder Petr Mach has
ruled out adopting the Libertas brand to compete in the European
elections. "I tried to explain to him that setting up parties is
a different thing than setting up businesses. If he has a business he
can set up subsidiaries and he would then be the main shareholder of
it. It is different with political parties," said Mr Mach, who held
talks with Mr Ganley on whether to join forces and form a Czech
Libertas. The talks broke down because Mr Mach wants to focus
his party - which is called the Free Citizens' Party (Strana Svobodnych
Obcanu) - on national rather than EU politics and not simply become a
subsidiary of Libertas. It will campaign in the European elections, but
its main goal is to become a force in Czech politics that can rival the
ruling Civic Democrat party (ODS), which has recently distanced itself
from Klaus over his Eurosceptic views ahead of the Czech Republic's
elevation to the position of president of the EU's council of ministers. Mr
Ganley will now try to set up his own Libertas branch in the Czech
Republic without Mr Mach. "Petr Mach is a Eurosceptic and I am not," Mr
Ganley said yesterday while expressing confidence in his ability to run
candidates in the Czech Republic in June.

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"I think his [Ganley's] concept won't work. You simply cannot know the situation in all member states," Mr Mach said. "In
all countries the public will always consider him a stranger because he
speaks a different language. It is impossible to campaign in a foreign
language. I think you cannot apply a business concept to politics."

A friend of mine from Mayo said he would have a problem as he "speaks a different language" but I thnik he meant his accent. "Come on old chap vote for Libertas" might not work in Straide
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:03 am

Frightened Albanian wrote:
PK that is typical of Libertas . Caroline Simons was terribly ill informed re the EU on a recent TV3 appearance. They will say anything to dodge a question and to spread fear and concern about issues that don't exist or are made up by them. The 3 year old arrest thing was an absolute lie.


The below is another big piece of fudge ville and worse.
Note that Libertas blames the Albanian government and more hypocritically the conditions in early 1997 in Albania which amounted to civil war. Ganley was in fact boasted right through this period that his was the only secure fund in Albania. He also continued pushing AAIF right into 1998 when he claimed to be involved in gas exploration and was looking for companies to buy off the Albanian government. Therefore it is thoroughly diengenuous to say the turmoil in Albania scuppered his fund. Two months after the worst of the trouble it was business as usual fro Ganley and he was still collecting funds according to the Guardian. The Observer reproted that he flew into Tiriana when his staff were supposedly being air lifted. Cookie says sataff does not mean Ganley. Either way Libertas blaming the civil conflict in 1997 for Anglo Adriatic Investment Fund problems is absolutly flying in the face of what Ganley was saying and doing at the time and on into 1998
That's more absolute nonsense from you Frightened Albanian. First off, Libertas is nit blaming anybody for anything. Secondly, the reason The Anglo Adriatic Investment Fund never too off was because it was never allowed to invest by the Government, the near Civil war in Albania of course didn't help matters.
Ganley was the mamager of the fund, of course he would be taking action to try and see it secured and invested, that was his job.

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Anglo-Adriatic has made multiple attempts to
have subsequent governments of Albania offer assets of appropriate
value in exchange for those vouchers.

Unfortunately, the
Albanian government has not done this to date. In deference to the
Albanian government, there have been some mitigating circumstances. In
1997, the collapse of the aforementioned pyramid schemes led to massive
civil unrest and a state of near civil war. This break down in civil
law and order resulted in a mass evacuation of foreign nationals
carried out by NATO forces including Italian, British, US, French and
other forces. Anglo-Adriatic staff were airlifted by the US Marine
Corps (who were responsible for securing the sector of Tirana where
Anglo Adriatic’s office was located) and flown to safety on the USS
Nassau which was stationed in the Adriatic. It is hoped and
anticipated that the Albanian government will eventually find an
appropriate mechanism to honour and redeem the Anglo Adriatic related
vouchers and thus provide those voucher holders with appropriate value
for their holdings.
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 11:41 am

Frightened Albanian wrote:
Ganley's Czech plans seem scuppered. Now he has to start again there. He must be very disappointed. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/0112/1231515550133.html
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A NEW political party dedicated to campaigning against the Lisbon
Treaty in the Czech Republic will be launched today by close associates
of Czech president Vaclav Klaus. But in a blow to the
pan-European ambitions of Declan Ganley, its founder Petr Mach has
ruled out adopting the Libertas brand to compete in the European
elections. "I tried to explain to him that setting up parties is
a different thing than setting up businesses. If he has a business he
can set up subsidiaries and he would then be the main shareholder of
it. It is different with political parties," said Mr Mach, who held
talks with Mr Ganley on whether to join forces and form a Czech
Libertas. The talks broke down because Mr Mach wants to focus
his party - which is called the Free Citizens' Party (Strana Svobodnych
Obcanu) - on national rather than EU politics and not simply become a
subsidiary of Libertas. It will campaign in the European elections, but
its main goal is to become a force in Czech politics that can rival the
ruling Civic Democrat party (ODS), which has recently distanced itself
from Klaus over his Eurosceptic views ahead of the Czech Republic's
elevation to the position of president of the EU's council of ministers. Mr
Ganley will now try to set up his own Libertas branch in the Czech
Republic without Mr Mach. "Petr Mach is a Eurosceptic and I am not," Mr
Ganley said yesterday while expressing confidence in his ability to run
candidates in the Czech Republic in June.

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"I think his [Ganley's] concept won't work. You simply cannot know the situation in all member states," Mr Mach said. "In
all countries the public will always consider him a stranger because he
speaks a different language. It is impossible to campaign in a foreign
language. I think you cannot apply a business concept to politics."

A friend of mine from Mayo said he would have a problem as he "speaks a different language" but I thnik he meant his accent. "Come on old chap vote for Libertas" might not work in Straide

Well, we warned on this site that getting into bed with political parties with memberships of many thousands, when you yourself have a busload, is a dodgy concept.
Another Adornis looming?
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:56 pm

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Well, we warned on this site that getting into bed with political parties with memberships of many thousands, when you yourself have a busload, is a dodgy concept.
Another Adornis looming?
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Maybe , certainly no great news yet on their candidates but this must be a blow. Think of all the energy put into the Klaus dinner. I think the MPF may be closer to Libertas candidates in France but ...no committment from candidates publically yet. If you check facebook link from the libertas.eu yoou will note 500 odd members to the main group , 63 for Libertas Feacebook France.

Also noted that the Indo yesterday published a polll that indicated a strong Yes vote in a second referendum.
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:12 pm

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Well, we warned on this site that getting into bed with political parties with memberships of many thousands, when you yourself have a busload, is a dodgy concept.
Another Adornis looming?
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Maybe , certainly no great news yet on their candidates but this must be a blow. Think of all the energy put into the Klaus dinner. I think the MPF may be closer to Libertas candidates in France but ...no committment from candidates publically yet. If you check facebook link from the libertas.eu yoou will note 500 odd members to the main group , 63 for Libertas Feacebook France.

Also noted that the Indo yesterday published a polll that indicated a strong Yes vote in a second referendum.

Sadly from my point of view and Mr. Ganley has very likely contributed to that trend.
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:47 pm

Frightened Albanian wrote:
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Well, we warned on this site that getting into bed with political parties with memberships of many thousands, when you yourself have a busload, is a dodgy concept.
Another Adornis looming?
x
Maybe , certainly no great news yet on their candidates but this must be a blow. Think of all the energy put into the Klaus dinner. I think the MPF may be closer to Libertas candidates in France but ...no committment from candidates publically yet. If you check facebook link from the libertas.eu yoou will note 500 odd members to the main group , 63 for Libertas Feacebook France.

Also noted that the Indo yesterday published a polll that indicated a strong Yes vote in a second referendum.

Trend? It was a sindo poll, I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:48 pm

cookiemonster wrote:
Frightened Albanian wrote:
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Well, we warned on this site that getting into bed with political parties with memberships of many thousands, when you yourself have a busload, is a dodgy concept.
Another Adornis looming?
x
Maybe , certainly no great news yet on their candidates but this must be a blow. Think of all the energy put into the Klaus dinner. I think the MPF may be closer to Libertas candidates in France but ...no committment from candidates publically yet. If you check facebook link from the libertas.eu yoou will note 500 odd members to the main group , 63 for Libertas Feacebook France.

Also noted that the Indo yesterday published a polll that indicated a strong Yes vote in a second referendum.

Trend? It was a sindo poll, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Any news from Poland?
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:07 pm

cactus flower wrote:
cookiemonster wrote:
Frightened Albanian wrote:
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Well, we warned on this site that getting into bed with political parties with memberships of many thousands, when you yourself have a busload, is a dodgy concept.
Another Adornis looming?
x
Maybe , certainly no great news yet on their candidates but this must be a blow. Think of all the energy put into the Klaus dinner. I think the MPF may be closer to Libertas candidates in France but ...no committment from candidates publically yet. If you check facebook link from the libertas.eu yoou will note 500 odd members to the main group , 63 for Libertas Feacebook France.

Also noted that the Indo yesterday published a polll that indicated a strong Yes vote in a second referendum.

Trend? It was a sindo poll, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Any news from Poland?

Was there a question in the Sindo poll about it? Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:08 pm

cookiemonster wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
cookiemonster wrote:
Frightened Albanian wrote:
Quote :
Well, we warned on this site that getting into bed with political parties with memberships of many thousands, when you yourself have a busload, is a dodgy concept.
Another Adornis looming?
x
Maybe , certainly no great news yet on their candidates but this must be a blow. Think of all the energy put into the Klaus dinner. I think the MPF may be closer to Libertas candidates in France but ...no committment from candidates publically yet. If you check facebook link from the libertas.eu yoou will note 500 odd members to the main group , 63 for Libertas Feacebook France.

Also noted that the Indo yesterday published a polll that indicated a strong Yes vote in a second referendum.

Trend? It was a sindo poll, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Any news from Poland?

Was there a question in the Sindo poll about it? Rolling Eyes

And if not, why not?

btw - has any poll asked about support for Libertas yet?
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:34 pm

cactus flower wrote:
cookiemonster wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
cookiemonster wrote:
Frightened Albanian wrote:
Quote :
Well, we warned on this site that getting into bed with political parties with memberships of many thousands, when you yourself have a busload, is a dodgy concept.
Another Adornis looming?
x
Maybe , certainly no great news yet on their candidates but this must be a blow. Think of all the energy put into the Klaus dinner. I think the MPF may be closer to Libertas candidates in France but ...no committment from candidates publically yet. If you check facebook link from the libertas.eu yoou will note 500 odd members to the main group , 63 for Libertas Feacebook France.

Also noted that the Indo yesterday published a polll that indicated a strong Yes vote in a second referendum.

Trend? It was a sindo poll, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Any news from Poland?

Was there a question in the Sindo poll about it? Rolling Eyes

And if not, why not?

Pass over whatever you're smoking, will ya?

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btw - has any poll asked about support for Libertas yet?
Most political organisations commission polls themselves, it's quite possible.
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:40 pm

cookiemonster wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
cookiemonster wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
cookiemonster wrote:
Frightened Albanian wrote:
Quote :
Well, we warned on this site that getting into bed with political parties with memberships of many thousands, when you yourself have a busload, is a dodgy concept.
Another Adornis looming?
x
Maybe , certainly no great news yet on their candidates but this must be a blow. Think of all the energy put into the Klaus dinner. I think the MPF may be closer to Libertas candidates in France but ...no committment from candidates publically yet. If you check facebook link from the libertas.eu yoou will note 500 odd members to the main group , 63 for Libertas Feacebook France.

Also noted that the Indo yesterday published a polll that indicated a strong Yes vote in a second referendum.

Trend? It was a sindo poll, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

Any news from Poland?

Was there a question in the Sindo poll about it? Rolling Eyes

And if not, why not?

Pass over whatever you're smoking, will ya?

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btw - has any poll asked about support for Libertas yet?
Most political organisations commission polls themselves, it's quite possible.


Just one, cookie.


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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:50 pm

I'm a Rome Y Julieta man myself.
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PostSubject: Re: Ganley and the mad mullahs   Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:49 pm

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I'm a Rome Y Julieta man myself.
and Poland? there is no point in talking to you unless you give us a bit of a laugh (rarely) some Libertas info (rarely). In fact I am wondering whether talking to you is comparable to eating Jaffa oranges
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