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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:43 am

SeathrúnCeitinn wrote:
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X-Factor is the most disingenuous and manipulative money making racket that any medium of communication has ever vomitted upon it's willing consumers/victims.

I truely despair for humanity.......

Superficial and ill-informed. Are you sure you didn't mean to post that on politics.ie? That is the normal home of superficial and ill-informed posts. Very Happy

Good Gods. Are you for real?

Totally. I have been a musician, BTW. The only criteria for me is quality music. And the show has consistently had quality music on it. Your comments suggest you know little about music, even less about the show, and nothing about the participants.
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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:44 am

Cabaret Voltaire ....... had completely forgotten about them. Idea
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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:03 am

Papal Knight wrote:
SeathrúnCeitinn wrote:
Papal Knight wrote:
SeathrúnCeitinn wrote:
X-Factor is the most disingenuous and manipulative money making racket that any medium of communication has ever vomitted upon it's willing consumers/victims.

I truely despair for humanity.......

Superficial and ill-informed. Are you sure you didn't mean to post that on politics.ie? That is the normal home of superficial and ill-informed posts. Very Happy

Good Gods. Are you for real?

Totally. I have been a musician, BTW. The only criteria for me is quality music. And the show has consistently had quality music on it. Your comments suggest you know little about music, even less about the show, and nothing about the participants.

I'll consider that a compliment
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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:03 am




But was Ruth robbed.....

(Purple Rain)
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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:06 am

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But was Ruth robbed.....

(Purple Rain)

Did that Portuguese wagon not win Big Brother a couple of years back?
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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:10 am

Don't rate Alexandra to be honest. JLS will have more success going forward. Glad Quigger didn't get a look in. Bring back Diana!
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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:12 am



Here you go, johnfás
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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:13 am

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But was Ruth robbed.....

(Purple Rain)

I couldn't agree more. Ruth was amazing over and over, but Purple Rain was incredible. In most competitions in most years someone of Ruth's talent would have walked it. It just shows just how high the standards were this year.
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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:18 am

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Here you go, johnfás

She's a little rascal.

She is the only one who could have done a decent cover of that Jeff Buckley classic as well. Watching both those finalists butcher it was as upsetting as hearing Rufus Wainright do the same. The song has grit, their's had none.
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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:21 am



Now here's a singer with some grit.
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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:22 am

I'm quite sure Jeff Buckley would have preferred this than the butchers this evening:

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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:24 am

Here's a German X-Factor version?
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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:24 am

Jeff Buckley's is the only Hallelujah for me.

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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:26 am

Gotta feel sorry for them all anyway - being taken for a ride by Simon Cowell. He is giving the winner a contract for a million pounds. Had they made it independently of the show they'd be earning a fair multiple of that. The real winner is Simon every time.

Cheryl Cole though - what a dress.
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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:27 am

My wife usually recorded it and watched it later, meaning i could join her as she fast forwarded through all the "dream come true", "i really, REALLY want this" blather, adverts, plugs and self-serving judgery and actually hear some decent music. I wouldn't be equating decent music with x-factor if i hadn't seen the big band episode where the female vocalists - particularly Laura and a sexy-as-hell Alexandra - were equal to the classics they were performing. Trashy, popular-with-the-masses tv occasionally comes good!
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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:29 am

Isn't that little blonde one a Duffy clone though ? The market is saturated with them at the moment.

not Joe Duffy now
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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:29 am

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My wife usually recorded it and watched it later, meaning i could join her as she fast forwarded through all the "dream come true", "i really, REALLY want this" blather, adverts, plugs and self-serving judgery and actually hear some decent music. I wouldn't be equating decent music with x-factor if i hadn't seen the big band episode where the female vocalists - particularly Laura and a sexy-as-hell Alexandra - were equal to the classics they were performing. Trashy, popular-with-the-masses tv occasionally comes good!

I saw that too - 6 or 7 cracking singers, all pretty well doing their own thing well.
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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:31 am

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Isn't that little blonde one a Duffy clone though ? The market is saturated with them at the moment.

not Joe Duffy now

Perhaps but then again the winner this year is not overly dissimilar from the winner last year. That is why I think she'll never make it. Leona Lewis is already a superstar. I reckon JLS will come out best from that show in the longrun. Something a bit different.
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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:33 am

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Gotta feel sorry for them all anyway - being taken for a ride by Simon Cowell. He is giving the winner a contract for a million pounds. Had they made it independently of the show they'd be earning a fair multiple of that. The real winner is Simon every time.

Cheryl Cole though - what a dress.

I think most of these kids really love singing and would do it if there wasn't any money. That's not to say they're not being robbed: its almost the norm in the pop business. But I think wouldn't be right either to make them out as totally victims in this - they wouldn't have put in the endless hours working at their singing if it wasn't a real passion for them.
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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:44 am

Oh no absolutely it is great for them and even for those that don't win it is fantastic exposure for them as well as a great experience. However, they are being ripped off by Simon Cowell even more than most popgroups. They are getting paid less than had they been 'discovered' but for a guaranteed return to him. He should be paying a premium for that but he is doing the opposite.
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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:48 am

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Oh no absolutely it is great for them and even for those that don't win it is fantastic exposure for them as well as a great experience. However, they are being ripped off by Simon Cowell even more than most popgroups. They are getting paid less than had they been 'discovered' but for a guaranteed return to him. He should be paying a premium for that but he is doing the opposite.

Did you know that groups are charged "expenses" by record companies? "Expenses" include things like the cost of making a video and record launches. Some of the bigger rap groups in the States found that they owed money to the record company after they had a hit.
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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:50 am

Yup I did and I know the members of a few bands who have pretty decent recording contracts as well. Simon Cowell will look after them but he isn't paying them the going rate. Someone who gets a Christmas No.1 (which she probably will) is worth 5 times what he is paying her.
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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:00 am

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Oh no absolutely it is great for them and even for those that don't win it is fantastic exposure for them as well as a great experience. However, they are being ripped off by Simon Cowell even more than most popgroups. They are getting paid less than had they been 'discovered' but for a guaranteed return to him. He should be paying a premium for that but he is doing the opposite.

Incorrect. They are paid the same percentage as anyone else. It is a standard percentage irrespective of how you are discovered. The only difference is that it take usually 4 years to make a profit and earn more money than the record company spends on you in most of the industry. If you win X-factor you make a profit within 14 months and you also get a non-returnable advance which far exceeds what you could hope to get elsewhere. So in no sense are they ripped off. It is a win-win for both Cowell and the winner. He gets a mass exposure tried and tested performer and they get the sort of career launch that others can only dream of, an eye-watering advance and make a profit far earlier. Unlike you are a complete plonker like the first winner, Steve, who walked out of his contract thinking he was being ripped off, and ended up reduced to singing of UK-France ferries for buttons, you hit the jackpot if you win or even get into the final of a show like that.

Last year's second placed singer has broken records with sales of his first album and has hit sales levels that he could never have hoped to achieve had it not been for his participation in X factor.

Speaking of Rhydian,

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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:06 am

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johnfás wrote:
Oh no absolutely it is great for them and even for those that don't win it is fantastic exposure for them as well as a great experience. However, they are being ripped off by Simon Cowell even more than most popgroups. They are getting paid less than had they been 'discovered' but for a guaranteed return to him. He should be paying a premium for that but he is doing the opposite.

Did you know that groups are charged "expenses" by record companies? "Expenses" include things like the cost of making a video and record launches. Some of the bigger rap groups in the States found that they owed money to the record company after they had a hit.

Everyone is charged expenses, Cactus. Writers are charged it too. Our advances are from expected sales. book launches are paid from our royalties. That is perfectly standard. Any band with any cop-on will know that. Their lawyer will have told them that when he examined in contract. It is the industry norm in music, literature, and most other areas. Rap artists are notorious for insisting on expensive videos, etc, against lawyer advice. If they get stung at the end that is simply down to their own stupidity. Any showbusiness lawyer would have told them that if they insist on having a $5 million video it is their own money they are spending. Unfortunately the budget for videos often comes down in bands to a battle over who has the biggest (cost) and it is only later that they realise what their lawyer and the production company were saying was correct - the limos, the top price hotel rooms, the 1st class travel, the video, were all being paid for out of their own earnings, and if they spent more than they earned then it is their own fault.


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PostSubject: Re: X Factor brilliance   Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:06 am

I wonder if the whole era in which singers got wealthy from recording is almost at an end. Downloads and sharing of music is reducing profits radically.Most bands have to tour now if they want to make money.

Perhaps people starting off in the future will have to sing live and release their own music on the internet (free or pay ) if they want to make any money.

I came across a website of a musician I admire asking for donations towards making her next album.
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