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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:06 pm

The Swiss are worried that the full impact of this recession is starting to bite. Unemployment has risen to 3% and many fear that it will rise to an apocalyptic 4.5% before the year is out. Grim times ahead.
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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Sat Jan 10, 2009 2:22 pm

Slim Buddha wrote:
The Swiss are worried that the full impact of this recession is starting to bite. Unemployment has risen to 3% and many fear that it will rise to an apocalyptic 4.5% before the year is out. Grim times ahead.

Are you taking the Mick Very Happy

Unemployment is low enough in Nordic countries too it seems. I'd wonder how much unemployment can be tolerated before the IMF start getting discussed. We had a lot more in the 80s but the IMF didn't come. Have we much lower taxes now and that's the reason - less money ?

I believe Argentina somehow tolerate a high unemployment figure - something I read in Stiglitz book. About 15% I think. It's not a problem if they can manage with that. It'd be interesting to know why certain economies like those in warmer places can tolerate high unemployment - Spain has 13% now according to the Eurostats Paul R put there recently.

It's all a balancing act between different juggling balls I suppose.
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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:22 pm

Auditor #9 wrote:
Slim Buddha wrote:
The Swiss are worried that the full impact of this recession is starting to bite. Unemployment has risen to 3% and many fear that it will rise to an apocalyptic 4.5% before the year is out. Grim times ahead.

Are you taking the Mick Very Happy

Unemployment is low enough in Nordic countries too it seems. I'd wonder how much unemployment can be tolerated before the IMF start getting discussed. We had a lot more in the 80s but the IMF didn't come. Have we much lower taxes now and that's the reason - less money ?

I believe Argentina somehow tolerate a high unemployment figure - something I read in Stiglitz book. About 15% I think. It's not a problem if they can manage with that. It'd be interesting to know why certain economies like those in warmer places can tolerate high unemployment - Spain has 13% now according to the Eurostats Paul R put there recently.

It's all a balancing act between different juggling balls I suppose.

Right, I do admit it was a bit tongue in cheek. But that is how they think. Since everything here is done at local rather than federal level, the emphasis in tough times is to manage the problem locally. SO if you get laid off and get some sort of a redundancy package from your employer and you fancied starting up a business, these people advise you every step of the way

http://www.zug.ch/behoerden/volkswirtschaftsdirektion/economic-promotion/team-overview/team-und-aufgaben

and let you know about grants, taxes and legal obligations. They talk about quality of life and standard of living apart from the 8.5% corporation tax and 7.6% VAT

http://www.leconcierge.ch/Zug%20Promotion%202005.pdf.

They are with you every step of the way on setting up a business and supporting you practically in every way possible. They are very successful. I know of a number of people who have set up businesses in Zug as a result of being highly impressed with this service. This is what keeps unemployment down.
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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:33 pm

From your first link. Could it be there is a disproportionate number of techies in Admin in Switzerland?



What kinds of businesses generally get set up could you say ? You could give a few examples or even keep an eye out for the kind of thing people get up there instead of heading off down to Gardiner Street.
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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:42 pm

Auditor #9 wrote:
From your first link. Could it be there is a disproportionate number of techies in Admin in Switzerland?



What kinds of businesses generally get set up could you say ? You could give a few examples or even keep an eye out for the kind of thing people get up there instead of heading off down to Gardiner Street.

Yes Audi, Herr Marti is highly respected as an advisor to small and start-up businesses. His background in precision tooling and small business and his extensive experience and that of his team in start-ups, coupled with the advantages Canton Zug offers in grants and taxes, has made Zug very successful and very unpopular in Germany. Zug has 8,400 businesses, 23,000 companies and 66,000 employees in total. I will keep an eye on Zug as 2009 wears on to see how it manages employment-wise.
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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Sat Jan 10, 2009 4:53 pm

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Yes Audi, Herr Marti is highly respected as an advisor to small and start-up businesses. His background in precision tooling and small business and his extensive experience and that of his team in start-ups, coupled with the advantages Canton Zug offers in grants and taxes, has made Zug very successful and very unpopular in Germany. Zug has 8,400 businesses, 23,000 companies and 66,000 employees in total. I will keep an eye on Zug as 2009 wears on to see how it manages employment-wise.
Why is that - because highly qualified people go there to stay ?

There's Zug there very close to the middle.



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Der Kanton Zug liegt mitten in Europa und im Herzen der Schweiz. Er gilt als Scharnier zwischen dem urbanen Kanton Zürich und den ländlichen Kantonen der Zentralschweiz.

Landschaftlich ist der Kanton Zug geprägt von zwei malerischen Seen, von sanften Hügeln und von reizvollen Voralpen. Dank einer ausgezeichneten Infrastruktur für den öffentlichen und privaten Verkehr sind die Zentren Zürich und Luzern in weniger als dreissig Minuten erreichbar.
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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:22 pm

Corporation tax, Audi. Look at the maths. 8,400 business, 66,000 employees and 23,000 companies. One of these companies is Metro Ag. This is the biggest food wholesaler in Europe. Operationally it is based in Germany. However, the tax it paid on the €83,000,000,000 turnover recorder in 2006 was paid in Canton Zug, where it is incorporated. Metro are not alone, while is why Peer Steinbruck, the German Finance Minister, has a habit of throwing his toys out of the pram when he hears the words "Kanton Zug".
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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:32 pm

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Corporation tax, Audi. Look at the maths. 8,400 business, 66,000 employees and 23,000 companies. One of these companies is Metro Ag. This is the biggest food wholesaler in Europe. Operationally it is based in Germany. However, the tax it paid on the €83,000,000,000 turnover recorder in 2006 was paid in Canton Zug, where it is incorporated. Metro are not alone, while is why Peer Steinbruck, the German Finance Minister, has a habit of throwing his toys out of the pram when he hears the words "Kanton Zug".
Ah Right - same as why Germany is annoyed by us. And each Kanton can vote on what tax a corpo pays ? I wonder can you tell me what that rate is and whether it is voted to change often or now and again or at all. I can imagine peculiar dynamics existing between corporation, state, voter...

I know this looks like it should be a specific Switzerland thread but as it's a specific case of the general theme of economics and unemployment I think it might be counter-productive at present to split it.

For example, the unemployment rate is often very inaccurately measured. My two American fellas below reckon the American official rate of 7.2% might be very conservative of a real estimate of at least 13% when all the U3s and U6s and Shadow Stats are taken into account. Do you believe the Swiss when they tell that the unemployment rate has rocketted up to 4.5% ?

VisionVictory - On recent employment figures among other things
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GNe19ru0F0

DEMCAD - On recent employment and other stats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zC42Oo1F2I
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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:58 pm

Auditor #9 wrote:
Slim Buddha wrote:
Corporation tax, Audi. Look at the maths. 8,400 business, 66,000 employees and 23,000 companies. One of these companies is Metro Ag. This is the biggest food wholesaler in Europe. Operationally it is based in Germany. However, the tax it paid on the €83,000,000,000 turnover recorder in 2006 was paid in Canton Zug, where it is incorporated. Metro are not alone, while is why Peer Steinbruck, the German Finance Minister, has a habit of throwing his toys out of the pram when he hears the words "Kanton Zug".
Ah Right - same as why Germany is annoyed by us. And each Kanton can vote on what tax a corpo pays ? I wonder can you tell me what that rate is and whether it is voted to change often or now and again or at all. I can imagine peculiar dynamics existing between corporation, state, voter...

I know this looks like it should be a specific Switzerland thread but as it's a specific case of the general theme of economics and unemployment I think it might be counter-productive at present to split it.

For example, the unemployment rate is often very inaccurately measured. My two American fellas below reckon the American official rate of 7.2% might be very conservative of a real estimate of at least 13% when all the U3s and U6s and Shadow Stats are taken into account. Do you believe the Swiss when they tell that the unemployment rate has rocketted up to 4.5% ?

VisionVictory - On recent employment figures among other things
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GNe19ru0F0

DEMCAD - On recent employment and other stats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zC42Oo1F2I

Rates of corporation tax vary from canton to canton. There is a minimum figure of 8%. That goes, as per an article in the Swiss constitution, to the federal government. Anything beyond that is a matter for the canton itself to decide. The federal government cannot interfere with the power of the canton to decide this. The federal government never does because it relies on the cantons to collect this and pass it on to the federal government. (This is very much in keeping with the "Don't piss off the cantons" system of administration here.) In Canton Zug, they levy a corporation tax of 0.5% making a total corporation tax liability for companies based there of 8.5%. In Zurich, the corporation tax levied by the canton is 3% bringing the total to 11%. Each canton has its own rate, though the French-speaking cantons charge more as a rule.
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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:12 pm

Just checked in the Sunday papers, Audi, and Günther Netzer's company is advertising jobs available. He is into sports management but has a lot of other business interests also. You may never have heard of Günther Netzer but the guy is a legend. He was one of the most flamboyant German footballers of the 70s who played in the team that won the European Nations Cup in 1972. He played his club football for Borussia Mönchengladbach and Real Madrid. A total individualist, his high point in club football came when he decided to transfer to Real Madrid. His manager refused to play him again and kept him on the subs bench for every match until the end of the 72-73 season, never playing him. The very last game of the season for Borussia Mönchengladbach was the famous 1973 German Cup final against Cologne. It was 1-1 after 90 minutes and Netzer got pissed off and substituted himself without the manager's permission. After 2 minutes, he scored the winner.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNbBnNVyenw

After a successful spell with Real Madrid, he retired to become commercial manager of Hamburg. Hamburg were floundering near the bottom of the Bundesliga when he arrived. He organised the commercial side so well that they signed European footballer of the Year Kevin Keegan and won 3 German titles and made it to 2 European Champions Cup finals, winning one in 1983 beating Juventus 1-0.

He left football to go into business. In 2003, the Kirch media group which owned SAT 1 among other TV channels went bankrupt. Netzer secured from the liquidation the rights for TV for the World Cup 2006 and realised a profit of € 850 million from selling these rights. He is a hugely successful businessman and lives with his family in Kanton Zug.

While he played football, he owned a string of bars but never drank alcohol until he finished his active football career. He had a Ferrari parked outside his bar in Hamburg but had no driving licence. He was always caught on camera with beautiful German models but has been married to the same woman since he was 22. The guy is a one off.

No surprise that in the teeth of a monster recession, he is still hiring staff.
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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Sun Jan 11, 2009 4:40 pm

The Ego has landed eh ? Does it always fall on very strong individuals to facilitate important socio-economic changes and drive innovation and industries that spread out into the wider community ?

In Switzerland in fairness there seems to be a vibrant culture of broader communities wielding power and using it responsibly. Job creation and industrial expansion and growth is usually down to individuals though, isn't it ? Unless you've Swiss examples or others (I think Pax had a Parecon one) of communities building industries that have a wider effect too. By their nature I suppose the likes of CO-OPs aren't meant to dominate the planet as they are local.
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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:15 pm

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The Ego has landed eh ? Does it always fall on very strong individuals to facilitate important socio-economic changes and drive innovation and industries that spread out into the wider community ?

In Switzerland in fairness there seems to be a vibrant culture of broader communities wielding power and using it responsibly. Job creation and industrial expansion and growth is usually down to individuals though, isn't it ? Unless you've Swiss examples or others (I think Pax had a Parecon one) of communities building industries that have a wider effect too. By their nature I suppose the likes of CO-OPs aren't meant to dominate the planet as they are local.

I suppose the best example of local success in Switzerland is, on the one hand, the cantonal banks, which operate solely in their own geographic space and on the other, the localised watchmaking industry, which went into decline and was saved, in a manner of speaking, by the success of Swatch.

The cantonal banks cannot get into the derivatives that caused so much toxic debt in recent times and are more "traditional" banks for local communities. The now have competition from the Co-op Bank and Migros Bank which are relatively new and both of these come out of large supermarket chains. The Swiss are not warming to these as they tend to believe that a supermarket is a supermarket and a bank is a bank. A lot of those who terminated accounts with UBS in the last 6 months moved to the cantonal banks for 2 main reasons. "Safe" and local".

The watchmaking industry was on its uppers and the establishment of the Federation of the Swiss Watchmaking Industry in 1982 halted the decline. There are 500 companies in the Federation. The industry is located in an arc from Geneva to Basel and most of the members are located in the French-speaking cantons of Geneva, Vaud, Neuchatel and Jura, particularly the last two. Cantons Fribourg, Solothurn and Schaffhausen also have watchmakers, incluiding Swatch.

The watchmaking industry is very skill-specific, family-orientated and had been a small employer. Swatch changed that and was one of the prime movers in establishing the federation. Nowadays, the companies in villages in Neuchatel and Jura are thriving again and are employing graduates of the Centre de perfectionnement Horologer in Neuchatel. It used to be a closed shop. Mind you, they do still like to empoloy locals but then, locals probably appreciate the industry as part of the fabric of their community. But lots more people are working in the industry, which is thriving, and a lot of the success of this is down to Swatch.

However, Swatch is very much the story of one man, a dominant type of guy called Nicolas Hayek. So, maybe these alpha male businessmen do have their uses.
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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:20 pm

3 minute PressTV news report from France showing unemployment at 2 million and 64,000 going on the French dole in November - largest rise in unemployment in 15 years.

26 billion euro stimulus from Sarkozy government as well as government cuts are hoped to stimulate private business.

Car industry hit hardest - agriculture also affected.

20.6% rise in unemployment among young males compared to last year.

OECD predicts rise to 8.2% unemployment this year.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_oGLQsSbWM
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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:51 pm

Auditor #9 wrote:

OECD predicts rise to 8.2% unemployment this year.
Only 8.2%? They'll need to do better than that to keep up with Ireland.
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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:26 pm

Auditor #9 wrote:
Slim Buddha wrote:
Yes Audi, Herr Marti is highly respected as an advisor to small and start-up businesses. His background in precision tooling and small business and his extensive experience and that of his team in start-ups, coupled with the advantages Canton Zug offers in grants and taxes, has made Zug very successful and very unpopular in Germany. Zug has 8,400 businesses, 23,000 companies and 66,000 employees in total. I will keep an eye on Zug as 2009 wears on to see how it manages employment-wise.
Why is that - because highly qualified people go there to stay ?

There's Zug there very close to the middle.



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Der Kanton Zug liegt mitten in Europa und im Herzen der Schweiz. Er gilt als Scharnier zwischen dem urbanen Kanton Zürich und den ländlichen Kantonen der Zentralschweiz.

Landschaftlich ist der Kanton Zug geprägt von zwei malerischen Seen, von sanften Hügeln und von reizvollen Voralpen. Dank einer ausgezeichneten Infrastruktur für den öffentlichen und privaten Verkehr sind die Zentren Zürich und Luzern in weniger als dreissig Minuten erreichbar.

I'm guessing so that the last thing the Swiss would do in a recession is decimate the public bus services, the ones we should be developing and honing to get people out of their cars and into work?
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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:33 am

Kate P wrote:
I'm guessing so that the last thing the Swiss would do in a recession is decimate the public bus services, the ones we should be developing and honing to get people out of their cars and into work?
I don’t know about that, it seems to me that if something is wasteful, it’s wasteful, whether that’s public transport waste or any other kind of waste. I think we should find out exactly what’s being cut and why, rather than just knee jerk, all public transport good, all other notions bad.
That’s how I see it anyway, but then, I’m not Swiss, so who knows, maybe I’m at a natural disadvantage and just plain wrong here.
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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Sat Jan 17, 2009 4:39 am

Paul R wrote:
Auditor #9 wrote:

OECD predicts rise to 8.2% unemployment this year.
Only 8.2%? They'll need to do better than that to keep up with Ireland.

That is going to be true this year, but the greater inflexibilities, inherent ineffficiencies and greater protectionism in France means that when the recovery comes, we have a far greater likelihood of reaching our previously low unemployment rate of 4-5% while France will be stuck with 7%+ rates of unemployment. Our structural unemployment has been virtually unchanged by the collapse of the property and other sectors of our economy.
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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:13 pm

This guy in the states just added up some job losses from

GE Capital
Circuit City (electronics chain)
Hertz
ConocoPhillips

and believes that 44,000 jobs are lost in one day ... yeah right

On the other hand, GM are building a battery plant in Michigan which will produce components for their electric vehicles and this will potentially employ 50,000 people but the plant is planned to be built over the next 5 years ... jaysus


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p2-gaZMRAE
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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:10 pm

tonys wrote:
Kate P wrote:
I'm guessing so that the last thing the Swiss would do in a recession is decimate the public bus services, the ones we should be developing and honing to get people out of their cars and into work?
I don’t know about that, it seems to me that if something is wasteful, it’s wasteful, whether that’s public transport waste or any other kind of waste. I think we should find out exactly what’s being cut and why, rather than just knee jerk, all public transport good, all other notions bad.
That’s how I see it anyway, but then, I’m not Swiss, so who knows, maybe I’m at a natural disadvantage and just plain wrong here.

The public transport system in Switzerland is a complex set-up. The SBB nationwide train system is regarded as world-class and, as a regular user of it, I have yet to see anything better. In the urban centres of Zürich, Basel and Geneva, tram systems augment bus services and suburban rail services. In Zürich, I get a yearly card, through an arrangement with my employer, from the ZVV (Zürcher Verkehrs Verband) transport authority for CHF850. This entitles me to unlimited travel in the Kanton of Zürich for 12 months on suburban rail, trams, buses and even on the ZVV-adminitered ferries on Lake Zürich. CHF850 is €572.62 (calculating on the €/CHF exchange rate right now) which is cheap. A reason for this is that the ZVV engage large employers with tax incentives to sign up as many employees to the card to reduce road traffic in the Kanton. It seems to work because of the 26 people who work in my area, only 2 don't use public transport. One walks and the other uses a bike.

For people living in remote areas, the public transport system means the Postbus. This is a service which, as the name suggests, grew out of the postal service and is now a separate company within Swiss Post.

www.postbus.ch

The Postbus serves remoter areas of the country by bringing people to urban centres at specified times and returning them later at specified times. It is very popular at this time of the year because people don't like sliding around Alps in their cars and prefer to let someone else drive. There is a level of subsidy involved, both at federal and kantonal level but, as the service is well used and well supported, this is acceptable to the people. After all, they get to vote on it regularly.

Another feature of the Swiss transport system is "Mobility". I had visitors here two years ago who wanted to see the Italian-speaking kanton of Ticino. I had no car at the time but that proved to be no problem. I signed up for "Mobility". This company charges for rented cars by the hour. We travelled to Lugano from Zürich by train and at the station in Lugano, the car was waiting. We drove around Ticino for four hours and left the car at the station, having refuelled as per contract. I left the car with more fuel than when I received it and this was deducted from my bill. It was a perfect solution for the circumstances in which we found ourselves.

www.mobility.ch

To address the point tonys made on waste, I believe that the Swiss system of government, where decisions are taken where possible at the lowest level, is very effective at policing waste. In the case of the postbus, who better than the people who use it should make these decisions? Since they are the ones picking up any costs which arise as a consequence of how they vote on such issues, it seems to be a reasonable solution. Waste, as I see it here, is best addressed in a system with a low centre of gravity in decision-making.

I recall that Martin Cullen as Minister for Transport made a visit to Zürich to study transport systems but I don't recall him making any statement on his visit.
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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:08 pm

The localised Swiss model seems for business development would seem to be ideal for Ireland. However, I believe it has taken the guts of 25+ years to come to fruition. The Swiss government, like almost every other government, was reacting to the decline in traditional business activity. So, I wouldn't be too prepared to start throwing stones at the Irish govt just yet. It would have been nice if the Irish govt was far-sighted, but very few govts in history are, and instituted such a program 10 years ago. We have to wait and see how the Irish govt reacts now. The govt is selling such solutions as an overnight wonder which will transform the economy by next year. Hooey.

I'm trying to start a small semi-manufacturing operation. While I want to do as much of the leg work as possible, a little help in accessing expertise in machinery and operations would be nice. There are no such facilities that I could find in the South without considerable cost. Just over the week-end I found out that all such information is handily available in the six counties for little or nothing. This would have saved me about €500 and countless hours of research.

Also the tax laws, which are so easily to understand in the US, are just not that easy for the average lay-man trying to start a business in Ireland. I went to the tax office in Dundalk to get more info and was handed a stack of forms and pamplets and told to consult an accountant. This is not an expense a start-up business can often take and not one which I'm willing to pay. Instead I'm taking a few classes on Irish tax laws for start up businesses. It costs money, but it's a one off cost.

In short, there are really no facilities for start-up businesses in the 26 counties unless 1. you have a high-tech idea or 2. you're already well capitalised.

Personally, I do not want to have a whole bunch of govt help or interference, but a little technical and tax advice would be such a massive help. I'd give the Irish govt less than a 10% mark on their preperations for assistance to start-up businesses. I understand there are changes afoot but they'd want to get the finger out.

As a side note, the lack of a non-building or highly specialised oreinted manufacturing base is practically non-existent in Ireland. Most probably, I will have to locate the business, if it gets off the ground, in the North to access UK manufacturing expertise and because of delivery charges.

Chances of success <10% but I'm going ahead anyway. feck it.
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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:34 pm

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In short, there are really no facilities for start-up businesses in the 26 counties unless 1. you have a high-tech idea or 2. you're already well capitalised.

Hi rocky and thanks for that info. Have you tried those Leader type programmes or are they not providing enough money for your type of business - I think the grant was about 10k but that was something small. Perhaps they help with business plans etc. If you or anyone else has more information please let us know.

There's a programme on Pat Kenny's Morning Radio show next Friday where he is trying to get people in their own industries to give ideas on how to create employment, ideas for businesses etc. It sounds logical to get computer programmers to contribute computer programming ideas and gardeners gardening ideas and cooks cooking ideas and so on but I think it's totally founded on the wrong thinking by Plank. We need people who can integrate and cross ideas over and synthesise different ideas and cross-fertilize ideas but there you go, it won't happen on that programme which might be worth listening in to anyway at 10am next Friday. Might try to tape it.

As Beckett said
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James Joyce was a synthesizer, trying to bring in as much as he could. I am an analyzer, trying to leave out as much as I can.

Pat is an analyzer and a lot is going to be left out, I'm afraid.
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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Sun Jan 18, 2009 12:38 pm

Good luck rockyracoon. Many long and interesting days ahead of you. Its I while since I set up, and I found that looking for help usually took up more time than it was worth when you got it. A good accountant who doesn't rip you off is the best piece of luck you can get starting up, perhaps you already have one, but they will only do the adding up and don't advise on tax efficiency. In days past, the Revenue was a great source of advice on tax and employment, but recently the policy due to work pressure was to tell everyone to consult their accountant, who charges for the pleasure.

County Enterprise Boards provide some subsidised training. I suppose the best way around all this, if it suited the game plan, would be to recruit a staff member who already knows all the ins and outs of running a business in Ireland.

Then you can devote more of your time and energy to the actual production side of things.
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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:43 pm

Good luck rocky. You will need it, the same as anybody does with a start-up. You are right about the lead-in time for the Swiss model but the political and tax structures are what make it work. We do not have this advantage in ireland. Rather the opposite, I'm afraid.
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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:16 pm

Not really unemployment but ...

Obama coverage team 'pared back to the bare bone' as part of cutbacks - Tribune

There were 13 of them over there for the election and there will be 6 going for the inauguration -

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The six staff have been split down the middle between radio and TV. The three radio staff are Mary Wilson, Fergal Keane and Marian Richardson from RTé Radio 1's Drivetime, who were chosen because that programme coincides with the time of the inauguration. They will be covering the event for all current-affairs radio programming.

The TV coverage will come from presenter Mark Little, who will be joined by producer Tara Peterman and cameraman Nick Dolan. They will produce a special live programme from 4.50 to 5.55pm on RTÉ One on Tuesday. They will provide additional coverage for that evening's Prime Time.

Outgoing Washington corres-
pondent Robert Shortt and his
successor in the job, Charlie Bird, are in the US already and will be providing tv reports.

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PostSubject: Re: Jobs and Unemployment Watch - Unemployment 7.7 % and Rising - 450 headline losses today   Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:43 pm

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Obama coverage team 'pared back to the bare bone' as part of cutbacks - Tribune

There were 13 of them over there for the election and there will be 6 going for the inauguration -

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The six staff have been split down the middle between radio and TV. The three radio staff are Mary Wilson, Fergal Keane and Marian Richardson from RTé Radio 1's Drivetime, who were chosen because that programme coincides with the time of the inauguration. They will be covering the event for all current-affairs radio programming.

The TV coverage will come from presenter Mark Little, who will be joined by producer Tara Peterman and cameraman Nick Dolan. They will produce a special live programme from 4.50 to 5.55pm on RTÉ One on Tuesday. They will provide additional coverage for that evening's Prime Time.

Outgoing Washington corres-
pondent Robert Shortt and his
successor in the job, Charlie Bird, are in the US already and will be providing tv reports.


That's six too many. They could get a perfectly good stringer based in the States to do the job or use Agency footage. Like the elections, it is all treated as an "I'm entitled to it" junket.

The only one we ever sent worth sending was Carole whats her name, who ate Bush in an interview, and is still spoken of in hushed tones of reverence by US anchor people.
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