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PostSubject: Office Machinery and other office supplies and related services... The 2009 Estimates Thread   Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:41 pm

I've been reading this all morning.

2009 Estimates

Quite a few things jump out at me, some bewilder me, but none as much as the Office machinery and supplies.

Scroll from page 23 through the 41 areas of voted expenditure and look at the office machinery costs.

Any comments ?
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PostSubject: Re: Office Machinery and other office supplies and related services... The 2009 Estimates Thread   Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:44 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Office Machinery and other office supplies and related services... The 2009 Estimates Thread   Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:26 pm

EvotingMachine0197 wrote:
I've been reading this all morning.

2009 Estimates

Quite a few things jump out at me, some bewilder me, but none as much as the Office machinery and supplies.

Scroll from page 23 through the 41 areas of voted expenditure and look at the office machinery costs.

Any comments ?
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Well I guess it covers all PCs,faxes photocopiers etc etc - well it is a bureaucracy and in fairness all the estimates are for reduced expenditure accross the board for next year.


Interesting the areas that getting greatly increased current account funding for next year- ie over 30%

Department of Justice - the coroners office - up 73% - are we expecting to be busier next year?

Education - National Educational Psychological services - up 33% - more freaked out leaving cert students?

Community rural and Gaetacht affairs - initiatives tackling economic and social disadvantage - up 160%

Community Rural and Gaeltacht affairs - Rural social schemes - up 48%

Community.......... - payments to Ciste Na Gaeilge - up 62%

Dept of Foreign Affairs - Value for money and policy reviews - up 240% - I like it Very Happy

Dept of energy - mining services - up 33%

Dept of Agriculture - income and market supports - up 39%

Dept of Transport - Vehicle and Driver licencing expenses - up 61%

Dept of transport - subscriptions to international organisations - up 61%

Dept of Defense - postal and communications expenses -up 75%

Dept of Defense - ordinance,clothing and catering - up 39%

Dept of Social Affairs - Jobseekers allowance - up 69%

Dept of Health - Value for money and policy reviews - up 300% - I kid you not!

Dept of Health - payments in relation to Clinical negligence -up 140%

Most of the accounts have a minus figure beside them - this is pretty much accross the board - some of them savage - but the devil is in the detail as they say
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PostSubject: Re: Office Machinery and other office supplies and related services... The 2009 Estimates Thread   Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:35 pm

Office supplies are machinery have ballooned for private industry as well. The suppliers can expect the market to get very competitive as of now. If I have to choose between losing a colleague and losing the supplier with whom I have a great relationship then the supplier will have to go.

I got a couple of grand off a photocopier before by ringing around and getting competitive quotes. Now I will make the time to do that for everything. In the meantime, I already google every bit of equipment I order to make sure the price I am charged is comparable with online discount prices. the departments need to start doing the same.

Price is now more important than speed. Time saved by relying on a trusted supplier can no longer be easily converted into more profit.

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County Councils should stop acknowledging avery piece of correspondence by letter. People should be told to provide an email address if they want an acknowledgment. The acknowledgemnt should only consist of a scan of their letter date-stamped by the Co. Co. and emailed from the Co. Co.'s acknowledgement email address. If people do not provide an email address then they should wait to receive a substantive response (rather than the cursory acknowledgment) by post.

This would cut out hours and hours of work and save millions in stationery costs.


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PostSubject: Re: Office Machinery and other office supplies and related services... The 2009 Estimates Thread   Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:39 pm

Is this the most detailed breakdown we get ? It's very high-level isn't it ? The spending is in thousands of thousands so 2 million goes on "office machinery" every year in the Dept. of the Taoiseach and that figure is roughly repeated across all departments varying between 1 and 3 million. Maybe they're using IBM Mainframes in each dept. ? Or the newest robots from Sony ?

What's the Tribunal Enquiry Payments to Messrs Haughey and Lowry about ?



1. President's Establishment


2. Taoiseach


3. Attorney General


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PostSubject: Re: Office Machinery and other office supplies and related services... The 2009 Estimates Thread   Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:58 pm

How many people work in the Department of the Taoiseach?
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PostSubject: Re: Office Machinery and other office supplies and related services... The 2009 Estimates Thread   Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:04 pm

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How many people work in the Department of the Taoiseach?

Don't know johnfás, but it's 14 Million Euros worth . None of the estimates state employee figures, why should they I suppose.

So I would have to guess about 150 or so??

It would be interesting to find out employee numbers for some of these depts. all the same
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PostSubject: Re: Office Machinery and other office supplies and related services... The 2009 Estimates Thread   Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:16 pm

That's what I was wondering - 14 million is alot on salaries for what I would have thought is a relatively small department.
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PostSubject: Re: Office Machinery and other office supplies and related services... The 2009 Estimates Thread   Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:08 pm

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johnfás wrote:
How many people work in the Department of the Taoiseach?

Don't know johnfás, but it's 14 Million Euros worth . None of the estimates state employee figures, why should they I suppose.

So I would have to guess about 150 or so??

It would be interesting to find out employee numbers for some of these depts. all the same

Who has this detail and can we get it or do we have to cough up FOI money ?

Fair play to you for putting up that document by the way, I'm going to prtscr the rest of the departments later on.
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PostSubject: Re: Office Machinery and other office supplies and related services... The 2009 Estimates Thread   Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:11 pm

Don't printscr the Secret Service. It's a secret. So is the purpose of the 700K it would appear !
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PostSubject: Re: Office Machinery and other office supplies and related services... The 2009 Estimates Thread   Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:34 pm

1. President's Establishment


2. Taoiseach


3. Attorney General


4.


5. C&AG


6. Finance (i)


6. Finance (ii)


7. Superannuation


8. Appeal Commissioners


9. Revenue Commissioners


10. OPW (i)


10. OPW (ii)


11. State Laboratory


12. Secret Service


13. Chief State Solicitor


14. DPP


15. Valuation Office


16. Public Appointments


17. Office for the Commission for Public Service Appointments


18. The Ombudsman


19. Justice Equality and Law Reform (i)


19. Justice Equality and Law Reform (ii)


19. Justice Equality and Law Reform (iii)


20. Garda Síochána


21. Prisons


22. Courts Service


23. Property Registration Authority


24. Charitable Donations & Bequests


25. Dept. Environment, Heritage & Local Govt. (i)


25. Dept. Environment, Heritage & Local Govt. (ii)


25. Dept. Environment, Heritage & Local Govt. (iii)


26. Education and Science (i)


26. Education and Science (ii)


26. Education and Science (iii)


26. Education and Science (iii)


27. Community Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs (i)


27. Community Rural and Gaeltacht Affairs (ii)


28. Foreign Affairs


29. International Co-Operation


30. Communications Energy Natural Resources (i)


30. Communications Energy Natural Resources (ii)


31. Agriculture Fisheries and Food


32. Transport (i) (ii)



33. National Gallery


34. Enterprise Trade Employment (i)


34. Enterprise Trade Employment (ii)


34. Enterprise Trade Employment (iii)


34. Enterprise Trade Employment (iv)


35. Arts Sport Tourism (i)


35. Arts Sport Tourism (ii)


36. Defence



37. Army Pensions


38. Social and Family Affairs




39. Health and Children



40. HSE



41. Office of the Minister for Children


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