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 BATU Sit In - Start of Ireland's Winter of Discontent ? Waterford - Mini - Who Next?

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PostSubject: BATU Sit In - Start of Ireland's Winter of Discontent ? Waterford - Mini - Who Next?   Mon Sep 08, 2008 7:20 pm

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhqlgbqlqlgb/

There is a group of building workers sitting in at the BATU Union Headquarters, demanding resignation of Paddy O'Shaughnessy the head of the Union.

It seems highly likely that the coming winter of discontent will mean an end to the tranquil lives of Irish Union chiefs.

Does anyone have any more information about this?


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PostSubject: Re: BATU Sit In - Start of Ireland's Winter of Discontent ? Waterford - Mini - Who Next?   Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:05 am

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, there's still the strong possibility that the social partners will agree a deal, the budget will be announced soon, we're well into this economic downturn and still industrial peace reigns. With the crash in commodity prices and a generalised easing in prices into next year, there shouldn't be a huge scope for industrial strife to become mainstream.

It's a situation that undoubtedly needs to be resolved at BATU, but I hardly agree that it heralds a "Winter of Discontent".
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PostSubject: Re: BATU Sit In - Start of Ireland's Winter of Discontent ? Waterford - Mini - Who Next?   Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:15 pm

Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
Let's not get ahead of ourselves, there's still the strong possibility that the social partners will agree a deal, the budget will be announced soon, we're well into this economic downturn and still industrial peace reigns. With the crash in commodity prices and a generalised easing in prices into next year, there shouldn't be a huge scope for industrial strife to become mainstream.

It's a situation that undoubtedly needs to be resolved at BATU, but I hardly agree that it heralds a "Winter of Discontent".

When people are sent home from work in large numbers, questions start to be asked about the logic of it. We are paying a lot of people who have valuable skills to do nothing. People generally want to work and be productive, it isn't just a question of getting paid. Sometimes they hold a sit in, and very occasionally they try to take over production and continue it. When they do that, they usually find out very quickly that the business was genuinely not making a bean and maybe not capable of making anything, or perhaps in need of big investment that they can't secure.

What are the answers to it?
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PostSubject: Re: BATU Sit In - Start of Ireland's Winter of Discontent ? Waterford - Mini - Who Next?   Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:41 pm

cactus flower wrote:


When people are sent home from work in large numbers, questions start to be asked about the logic of it. We are paying a lot of people who have valuable skills to do nothing. People generally want to work and be productive, it isn't just a question of getting paid. Sometimes they hold a sit in, and very occasionally they try to take over production and continue it. When they do that, they usually find out very quickly that the business was genuinely not making a bean and maybe not capable of making anything, or perhaps in need of big investment that they can't secure.

What are the answers to it?

What you say is cogent, cactus, but I fail to see the connection between it and a putative, "Winter of Discontent" which, to my mind, is exceptionally unlikely. I feel that a deal can be done in social partnership, the budget will provide stability and inflation won't rise above where it is now. It's my view that if we were to be blighted by strikes, they'dve happened by now. Ireland is still deep in Pax Industria.
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PostSubject: Re: BATU Sit In - Start of Ireland's Winter of Discontent ? Waterford - Mini - Who Next?   Tue Sep 09, 2008 8:21 pm

Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
cactus flower wrote:


When people are sent home from work in large numbers, questions start to be asked about the logic of it. We are paying a lot of people who have valuable skills to do nothing. People generally want to work and be productive, it isn't just a question of getting paid. Sometimes they hold a sit in, and very occasionally they try to take over production and continue it. When they do that, they usually find out very quickly that the business was genuinely not making a bean and maybe not capable of making anything, or perhaps in need of big investment that they can't secure.

What are the answers to it?

What you say is cogent, cactus, but I fail to see the connection between it and a putative, "Winter of Discontent" which, to my mind, is exceptionally unlikely. I feel that a deal can be done in social partnership, the budget will provide stability and inflation won't rise above where it is now. It's my view that if we were to be blighted by strikes, they'dve happened by now. Ireland is still deep in Pax Industria.

What you say is true, Ard-Taoiseach, but it is only the beginning of Autumn. There are rustlings in the undergrowth. We will have to wait and see.
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PostSubject: Re: BATU Sit In - Start of Ireland's Winter of Discontent ? Waterford - Mini - Who Next?   Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:15 pm

Another leaf drops...

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Renault announced 4,000 job cuts today following its prediction of lower sales and global economic downturn.

Unions protested about the announcement and one appealed to President Nicolas Sarkozy to intervene.

Renault submitted a document to union leaders saying it is having difficulty meeting operating margin targets this year.

The document said the cutbacks are necessary to meet productivity targets to keep the company competitive “in a worsening economic environment” and to avoid falling victim to consolidation in the car market.

The French carmaker will freeze hiring. It foresees cutting most of the 4,000 jobs through voluntary departures and natural wastage.

The CGT union appealed to Mr Sarkozy to intervene because the state owns 15.01% of Renault.

In July, Renault reported a 37% increase in six-month net profit but said it was falling behind sales targets.

The carmaker said it now expects to sell more than three million vehicles under its Renault, Dacia and Renault Samsung brands this year compared with the 3.3 million goal first expected as part of its four-year turnaround plan launched in 2006.

The meeting with unions came as Renault announced it is investing n the latest version of its Megane compact hatchback car, and it will unveil the car in November.

Profits up and cut 4,000 jobs. What would they do if they were in trouble ?
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PostSubject: Re: BATU Sit In - Start of Ireland's Winter of Discontent ? Waterford - Mini - Who Next?   Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:47 pm

Are Batu the brickies? As far as I know they are about the most militant reactionary union out there. I am not surprised by this given none too complimentary stories I have heard about them. I won't give details as it is a while since I heard the stories.
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PostSubject: Re: BATU Sit In - Start of Ireland's Winter of Discontent ? Waterford - Mini - Who Next?   Tue Feb 17, 2009 2:41 pm

BATU are the Building and Allied Trades Union.

We now have Waterford Glass in occupation and redundant "ready meals" workers in Cork demonstrating outside their factory at Little Island.

There was furious reaction and tussles with security in the Cowley Mini plant yesterday - bananas were thrown at management. But the real anger was with the Trade Union leaders who it was clearly felt had done absolutely nothing for agency workers who had worked for up to five years, paying union dues, sacked with no redundancy at an hours notice. 800 jobs gone and perhaps another 500 next week. What kind of Unions allow jobs to be switched to agency work and do nothing about it?

The arrogance of the Union officials in their responses is simply incredible. The sacked workers are looking to make the Union pay back their dues.



The Bus Drivers are voting on strike action in Ireland, also in response to redundancies.


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PostSubject: Re: BATU Sit In - Start of Ireland's Winter of Discontent ? Waterford - Mini - Who Next?   Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:39 pm

I am amazed the Greens are allowing Bus drivers to be sacked. Do they have a bottom line at all?
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PostSubject: Re: BATU Sit In - Start of Ireland's Winter of Discontent ? Waterford - Mini - Who Next?   Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:03 pm

coc wrote:
I am amazed the Greens are allowing Bus drivers to be sacked. Do they have a bottom line at all?

Interesting question. I think that they have said they don't.

It sounds like its nearly 500 redundancies and hundreds of services to go.

The public services unions, including the teachers and junior doctors, are balloting as well. There's a demonstration on Saturday. The taxi drivers are demonstrating tomorrow. Is it possible to envisage an alternative scenario, in which there was an equitable and strategic plan, with people taking some cuts and putting up with it?
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PostSubject: Re: BATU Sit In - Start of Ireland's Winter of Discontent ? Waterford - Mini - Who Next?   Tue Feb 17, 2009 5:23 pm

I have no problem taking a 25% pay cut if the cost of living drops by at least half that and if everyone else takes a similarly painful hit*.

If the economy deflated by 25% i think we'd be in a much stronger position a few years down the road even if 40'' Plasma TVs become unaffordable. The 25% deflation ought to be done by cutting wages and prices by 25% as opposed to cutting employment by 25%, though it is clear that there is a lot of dead wood in the economy that could and should be axed at no cost to economic productivity (estate agents, car salesmen, upper levels of Civil Service, HSE etc).

I am not suprised at the PS squeeling about the 7.5% pension tax when it has not been applied equitably. If this is what passes for leadership from the Government then we are in for a rocky few months.

*Note: this does not mean everyone takes a 25% hit. Brian Cowen et al can clearly afford to take a bigger hit and so they should..
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PostSubject: Batt O'Keefe Calls for Calm   Tue Feb 17, 2009 7:36 pm

Teachers are expected to join the ICTU members in Saturdays demonstration. Batt O'Keefe has called for calm.

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17/02/2009 - 15:38:42
The Education Minister Batt O' Keeffe says it would be regrettable to see teachers taking to the streets to protest the Government's public sector pension levy.

Minister Batt O'Keeffe's comments follow Friday's announcement from the three main teachers' unions that they will be balloting their members on industrial action.

Union representatives have also urged their members to attend an ICTU protest rally which is taking place in Dublin on Saturday.

Minister O' Keeffe is appealing to teachers to remember that the country is in a difficult and fraught financial state.
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PostSubject: Re: BATU Sit In - Start of Ireland's Winter of Discontent ? Waterford - Mini - Who Next?   Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:22 am

Open ended Dublin Bus strike from March 1st.
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PostSubject: Re: BATU Sit In - Start of Ireland's Winter of Discontent ? Waterford - Mini - Who Next?   Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:23 am

*Groan*
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