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PostSubject: The Price of Taps   Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:02 am

Well lads, I'm sitting at home watching the Republican National Convention on CNN, and there is a great hubub about the Republican VP nominee, very shortly to be acclaimed to be the Vice President of the USA. One thing which they are not discussing is the exorbitant price of taps.

Today I arrived home after a little iomramh to find the plumber in my house, replacing a set of taps we had fitted less than five years ago. Total cost 150 euros. He tried to get a part from the local supplier but was told that there were more than twenty different types of this particular tap, and he would have to know the exact make and model number to have any hope of getting a part. He said they have been made so complicated that only a genius like myself had any hope of figuring out their internal working. A little bit like the American political system. Of course they know how to tap people for money, but do they deliver anything.

And what does such tapping cost.

Wow big news. The VP nominee is a woman.

A little bit droll, as we are into our second woman president.
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PostSubject: Re: The Price of Taps   Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:09 am

Ah !

Finally we find out your weakness TGOC. If you know taps so well, why did you not replace them yourself ?

Worser still, why was the plumber replacing the taps ? do you know what the fault was ? Perhaps just a washer ?

I think you were getting ripped off TGOC.
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PostSubject: Re: The Price of Taps   Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:22 am

These taps are so advanced that you would need a PhD in tapology to replace them. Unfortunatlely mine is in the Cosmic Flow of Genius, and as you no doubt are aware we don't need washers to contain our immense knowledge of the Universe. The plumber is a very good friend. An honest man to the nut and bolt of tapology. In my day I replaced many washers, but now with all these Germanic designs it is beyond me.

What we really need is an Irish tap company, Sconna.
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PostSubject: Re: The Price of Taps   Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:22 am

On strange costs of things, the lock on my front door got bockety, so I went to buy a new cylinder. After searching 500 ailes of bubblepacked widgets, finally found one - €27.00. Took it to the till and the kind girl told me I could get a complete new lock with cylinder for €22.00.
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PostSubject: Re: The Price of Taps   Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:32 am

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PostSubject: Re: The Price of Taps   Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:37 am

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These taps are so advanced that you would need a PhD in tapology to replace them. Unfortunatlely mine is in the Cosmic Flow of Genius, and as you no doubt are aware we don't need washers to contain our immense knowledge of the Universe. The plumber is a very good friend. An honest man to the nut and bolt of tapology. In my day I replaced many washers, but now with all these Germanic designs it is beyond me.

What we really need is an Irish tap company, Sconna.

Would you say a tap is an analog device or a binary device ? Moghroth ?
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PostSubject: Re: The Price of Taps   Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:45 am



Your local DIY shop will have the above for €3.50. Get a second one and two tubes of paint - one blue and one red to fit out your sink for less than the cost of a family pack of Taytos.
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PostSubject: Re: The Price of Taps   Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:49 am

Oh drop the paint. Hot is always left hand. Cold is always right hand.

Unless they're the other way around.
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PostSubject: Re: The Price of Taps   Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:56 am

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Oh drop the paint. Hot is always left hand. Cold is always right hand.

Unless they're the other way around.

I grew up in a house fitted by dyslexic plumbers now I don't know which hand is hot or cold so no wonder they're colour coded.

Are taps analog because there isn't just two states that they can be in but a myriad of states between on and off?
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PostSubject: Re: The Price of Taps   Fri Sep 05, 2008 3:56 am

Would you say a tap is an analog device or a binary device ? Moghroth ?

Actually it is both. It is either on or off, binary, but the process of turning it on or off is analog.

Talking about turning. A group of friends of mine are about to turn 2,500 years of Euclidean geometry on it's head, I would like to invite anyone from this forum who wants to join us on this journey to send an email to brian.geometry@gmail.com and join in the fun.

But be quick. The research group will be closed to public scrutiny in 36 hours.

The group is located on Google Groups under the name Advanced Geometry Research.

Have a peek.

While doing this work I won't have much time for blogging, so don't miss out on what could be the mathematical adventure of a lifetime.

Remember 35 hours and counting.
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PostSubject: Re: The Price of Taps   Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:05 am

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Would you say a tap is an analog device or a binary device ? Moghroth ?

Actually it is both. It is either on or off, binary, but the process of turning it on or off is analog.

Talking about turning. A group of friends of mine are about to turn 2,500 years of Euclidean geometry on it's head, I would like to invite anyone from this forum who wants to join us on this journey to send an email to brian.geometry@gmail.com and join in the fun.

Wasn't Euclidean geometry turned upside-down by Riemann and Ricci?
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PostSubject: Re: The Price of Taps   Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:46 am

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On strange costs of things, the lock on my front door got bockety, so I went to buy a new cylinder. After searching 500 ailes of bubblepacked widgets, finally found one - €27.00. Took it to the till and the kind girl told me I could get a complete new lock with cylinder for €22.00.

Try buying men's razors. You always get daft situations like that. Cheaper to buy a whole new razor with a few refills than a pack of refills.

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PostSubject: Re: The Price of Taps   Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:01 am

Wasn't Euclidean geometry turned upside-down by Riemann and Ricci?

In a sense, yes. What Riemann and Rici did was to extend Euclidean Geometry beyond a linear theory, to deal with curved surfaces. Our research group aims at a more fundamental change, which is to explore and develop the ability to deal with curved surfaces in Vedic geometry. At present the treatment of higher dimensional Real-spaces in Vedic geometry suggests that there is a difference of 2 between the dimensionality of a domain and the dimensionality of it's dimension.

So for instance Real 3-space has linear dimensions, whereas Real 4-space has planar dimensions, Real 5-space has solid dimensions and Real 6-space has hyper-solid dimensions, it's dimensions are Real-4 space.

This contrasts greatly with existing geometrical models, where the dimensions are always 1. The dimensional frame may be linear as in the Euclidean case, or the dimensional frame may be curved as in the case of Riemann geometry.

The key aspect of our research is to extend the work of Kapoor so that we can deal with the creation of hyper-circles in higher dimensional Real spaces. His treatment of the hyper-cube is consistent with a western mathematical approach, however his treatement of the hyper-circle still needs to be reconciled with a western mathematical approach.

For me the key issue here is the development of an appropriate metric tensor. This had eluded me for a long time as it was not apparent how to create an appropriate metric in higher dimensional real spaces when the dimensions were greater than 1.

Recently I adopted a new approach, which is to develop a method for constructing a hyper-circle based on the rotation of a basic element called a di-monad. The mathematics seems pretty straight forward when going from Real 1-space, to Real 2-space, to Real 3-space, however the key shift is going from Real 3-space to Real 4-space. In my view this will require some extensions to the current methods of Tensor Calculus, to develop and appropriate rotation, to rotate a hyper-circle in Real 3-space into a hyper-circle in Real 4-space. It is possible to give a qualitative description of the hyper-circle in Real 4-space, but the detailed computational steps still need to be developed.

Also, during this development I intend to examine the current language used, in terms of Irish, to see if there are and clues in the structure of the language as how to proceed. I have found in previous work in Physics that Irish has the ability to encapsulate some of the abstractions of modern physics in a natural way, thereby making them easier to comprehend. Therefore part of my own contribution to the research is to re-develop Gaelic Mathematics from the very beginning, starting with the names of the numbers, and then with the first lesson, Aonró. I should start with zero, but when asked what is the name for zero, having grown up in Kerry I might say, neadar.


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PostSubject: Re: The Price of Taps   Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:04 am

Tap envy has been a serious problem since the advent and more recently, since the departure into the next room, of the Celtic Tiger. From flat pack kitchens with designer taps to the quality and style of tap being an important discriminating factor in the resale value of a house. I don't think we've given enough credence to the influence of the tap on the housing crisis. Maybe that's where our government has gotten it so wrong.

The devil is in the detail, after all.
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PostSubject: Re: The Price of Taps   Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:07 am

TheGeniusOfCork wrote:
Wasn't Euclidean geometry turned upside-down by Riemann and Ricci?

In a sense, yes. What Riemann and Rici did was to extend Euclidean Geometry beyond a linear theory, to deal with curved surfaces. Our research group aims at a more fundamental change, which is to explore and develop the ability to deal with curved surfaces in Vedic geometry. At present the treatment of higher dimensional Real-spaces in Vedic geometry suggests that there is a difference of 2 between the dimensionality of a domain and the dimensionality of it's dimension.

So for instance Real 3-space has linear dimensions, whereas Real 4-space has planar dimensions, Real 5-space has solid dimensions and Real 6-space has hyper-solid dimensions, it's dimensions are Real-4 space.

This contrasts greatly with existing geometrical models, where the dimensions are always 1. The dimensional frame may be linear as in the Euclidean case, or the dimensional frame may be curved as in the case of Riemann geometry.

The key aspect of our research is to extend the work of Kapoor so that we can deal with the creation of hyper-circles in higher dimensional Real spaces. His treatment of the hyper-cube is consistent with a western mathematical approach, however his treatement of the hyper-circle still needs to be reconciled with a western mathematical approach.

For me the key issue here is the development of an appropriate metric tensor. This had eluded me for a long time as it was not apparent how to create an appropriate metric in higher dimensional real spaces when the dimensions were greater than 1.

Recently I adopted a new approach, which is to develop a method for constructing a hyper-circle based on the rotation of a basic element called a di-monad. The mathematics seems pretty straight forward when going from Real 1-space, to Real 2-space, to Real 3-space, however the key shift is going from Real 3-space to Real 4-space. In my view this will require some extensions to the current methods of Tensor Calculus, to develop and appropriate rotation, to rotate a hyper-circle in Real 3-space into a hyper-circle in Real 4-space. It is possible to give a qualitative description of the hyper-circle in Real 4-space, but the detailed computational steps still need to be developed.

Also, during this development I intend to examine the current language used, in terms of Irish, to see if there are and clues in the structure of the language as how to proceed. I have found in previous work in Physics that Irish has a ability to encapsulate some of the abstractions of modern physics in a natural way, thereby making them easier to comprehend. Therefore part of my own contribution to the research is to re-develop Gaelic Mathematics from the very beginning, starting with the names of the numbers, and then with the first lesson, Aonró. I suppose I should start with zero, but when asked waht is the name for zero, having grown up in Kerry I might say, neadar.

I'd like some diagrams please and a Peter and Jane background to this (a link would be fine - I know that geniuses sometimes work on the higher plane and find it difficult to verbalise the basics Wink ) as well as some practical context so I can follow it, if you don't mind.

And thanks. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: The Price of Taps   Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:09 am

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Tap envy has been a serious problem since the advent and more recently, since the departure into the next room, of the Celtic Tiger. From flat pack kitchens with designer taps to the quality and style of tap being an important discriminating factor in the resale value of a house. I don't think we've given enough credence to the influence of the tap on the housing crisis. Maybe that's where our government has gotten it so wrong.

The devil is in the detail, after all.

Maybe they should be invited to tap into this discussion Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: The Price of Taps   Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:20 am

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TheGeniusOfCork wrote:
Wasn't Euclidean geometry turned upside-down by Riemann and Ricci?

In a sense, yes. What Riemann and Rici did was to extend Euclidean Geometry beyond a linear theory, to deal with curved surfaces. Our research group aims at a more fundamental change, which is to explore and develop the ability to deal with curved surfaces in Vedic geometry. At present the treatment of higher dimensional Real-spaces in Vedic geometry suggests that there is a difference of 2 between the dimensionality of a domain and the dimensionality of it's dimension.

So for instance Real 3-space has linear dimensions, whereas Real 4-space has planar dimensions, Real 5-space has solid dimensions and Real 6-space has hyper-solid dimensions, it's dimensions are Real-4 space.

This contrasts greatly with existing geometrical models, where the dimensions are always 1. The dimensional frame may be linear as in the Euclidean case, or the dimensional frame may be curved as in the case of Riemann geometry.

The key aspect of our research is to extend the work of Kapoor so that we can deal with the creation of hyper-circles in higher dimensional Real spaces. His treatment of the hyper-cube is consistent with a western mathematical approach, however his treatement of the hyper-circle still needs to be reconciled with a western mathematical approach.

For me the key issue here is the development of an appropriate metric tensor. This had eluded me for a long time as it was not apparent how to create an appropriate metric in higher dimensional real spaces when the dimensions were greater than 1.

Recently I adopted a new approach, which is to develop a method for constructing a hyper-circle based on the rotation of a basic element called a di-monad. The mathematics seems pretty straight forward when going from Real 1-space, to Real 2-space, to Real 3-space, however the key shift is going from Real 3-space to Real 4-space. In my view this will require some extensions to the current methods of Tensor Calculus, to develop and appropriate rotation, to rotate a hyper-circle in Real 3-space into a hyper-circle in Real 4-space. It is possible to give a qualitative description of the hyper-circle in Real 4-space, but the detailed computational steps still need to be developed.

Also, during this development I intend to examine the current language used, in terms of Irish, to see if there are and clues in the structure of the language as how to proceed. I have found in previous work in Physics that Irish has a ability to encapsulate some of the abstractions of modern physics in a natural way, thereby making them easier to comprehend. Therefore part of my own contribution to the research is to re-develop Gaelic Mathematics from the very beginning, starting with the names of the numbers, and then with the first lesson, Aonró. I suppose I should start with zero, but when asked waht is the name for zero, having grown up in Kerry I might say, neadar.

I'd like some diagrams please and a Peter and Jane background to this (a link would be fine - I know that geniuses sometimes work on the higher plane and find it difficult to verbalise the basics Wink ) as well as some practical context so I can follow it, if you don't mind.

And thanks. Smile

The prelimenary material is located in our group at Advanced Geometry Research.

At present this is open to public scrutiny.We will shortly be closing the door, so as to conduct our research, with a degree of privacy, but we will be issuing a newsletter, periodically, with the results of our endeavours.

If you wish to become a member of the team from the very beginning I suggest that you seek an invitation immediately, alternately you can wait, and see if there is anything which piques your interest. We will periodically open the group to further membership, as various phases of the research are completed and published.

If you just wish to observe the results we will establish a mailing list of those who so desire the publications.
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PostSubject: Re: The Price of Taps   Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:52 pm

sounds a bit complicated in response to a simple query regarding the price of taps, genius.

however, as one who took pure maths as one subject in my degree i find it quite interesting, if a little unsettling as i appear to have forgotten a great deal about maths theory etc in my clinical pursuit of economics and accounting (i wanted a well paid job more the satisfaction from handling concepts fewer than 1% of the population could deal with!)

mind you, i killed the "forestry" thread fairly quickly with my accounting ideas (despite auditor's best interests) so what do i know!!!! apols audi!
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PostSubject: Re: The Price of Taps   Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:00 pm

TheGeniusOfCork wrote:
Wasn't Euclidean geometry turned upside-down by Riemann and Ricci?

In a sense, yes. What Riemann and Rici did was to extend Euclidean Geometry beyond a linear theory, to deal with curved surfaces. Our research group aims at a more fundamental change, which is to explore and develop the ability to deal with curved surfaces in Vedic geometry. At present the treatment of higher dimensional Real-spaces in Vedic geometry suggests that there is a difference of 2 between the dimensionality of a domain and the dimensionality of it's dimension.

So for instance Real 3-space has linear dimensions, whereas Real 4-space has planar dimensions, Real 5-space has solid dimensions and Real 6-space has hyper-solid dimensions, it's dimensions are Real-4 space.

This contrasts greatly with existing geometrical models, where the dimensions are always 1. The dimensional frame may be linear as in the Euclidean case, or the dimensional frame may be curved as in the case of Riemann geometry.

The key aspect of our research is to extend the work of Kapoor so that we can deal with the creation of hyper-circles in higher dimensional Real spaces. His treatment of the hyper-cube is consistent with a western mathematical approach, however his treatement of the hyper-circle still needs to be reconciled with a western mathematical approach.

For me the key issue here is the development of an appropriate metric tensor. This had eluded me for a long time as it was not apparent how to create an appropriate metric in higher dimensional real spaces when the dimensions were greater than 1.

Recently I adopted a new approach, which is to develop a method for constructing a hyper-circle based on the rotation of a basic element called a di-monad. The mathematics seems pretty straight forward when going from Real 1-space, to Real 2-space, to Real 3-space, however the key shift is going from Real 3-space to Real 4-space. In my view this will require some extensions to the current methods of Tensor Calculus, to develop and appropriate rotation, to rotate a hyper-circle in Real 3-space into a hyper-circle in Real 4-space. It is possible to give a qualitative description of the hyper-circle in Real 4-space, but the detailed computational steps still need to be developed.

Also, during this development I intend to examine the current language used, in terms of Irish, to see if there are and clues in the structure of the language as how to proceed. I have found in previous work in Physics that Irish has the ability to encapsulate some of the abstractions of modern physics in a natural way, thereby making them easier to comprehend. Therefore part of my own contribution to the research is to re-develop Gaelic Mathematics from the very beginning, starting with the names of the numbers, and then with the first lesson, Aonró. I should start with zero, but when asked what is the name for zero, having grown up in Kerry I might say, neadar.

Interesting approach TGOC, but it leaves out Time and Space Time. Surely modern geometry should be encompassing both? How else will we ever get an explanation for the weakness of gravity?
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PostSubject: Re: The Price of Taps   Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:03 pm

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sounds a bit complicated in response to a simple query regarding the price of taps, genius.

however, as one who took pure maths as one subject in my degree i find it quite interesting, if a little unsettling as i appear to have forgotten a great deal about maths theory etc in my clinical pursuit of economics and accounting (i wanted a well paid job more the satisfaction from handling concepts fewer than 1% of the population could deal with!)

mind you, i killed the "forestry" thread fairly quickly with my accounting ideas (despite auditor's best interests) so what do i know!!!! apols audi!

It all right Zakalwe, the forestry thread isn't dead, just slow growing.
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PostSubject: Re: The Price of Taps   Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:03 pm

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cactus flower wrote:
On strange costs of things, the lock on my front door got bockety, so I went to buy a new cylinder. After searching 500 ailes of bubblepacked widgets, finally found one - €27.00. Took it to the till and the kind girl told me I could get a complete new lock with cylinder for €22.00.

Try buying men's razors. You always get daft situations like that. Cheaper to buy a whole new razor with a few refills than a pack of refills.


But the other option is worse, to end up like Riadach with a face like the wilds of Kerry.

Also, WTF is the deal with vibrating razors. I was given one for a present a few years back. I used it once and it freaked me out I never used it again.

TIP: But your razors on the interweb. Cheap as you like.
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