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PostSubject: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:36 am

Is everyone ready to move on in a week or two to a new book?

Is it time for history? Ard Taoiseach has been very patient.


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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:46 am

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cactus flower wrote:
Is everyone ready to move on in a week or two to a new book?

Is it time for history? Ard Taoiseach has been very patient.
What history? Suspect If it's about Romans that's a definite no from me. I've just finished reading 'The Iliad' and Robin Lane Fox's 'The Classical World', so I'm sick of Greeks and Romans.

Might I suggest a variation on a theme...

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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:49 am

cookiemonster wrote:
905 wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
Is everyone ready to move on in a week or two to a new book?

Is it time for history? Ard Taoiseach has been very patient.
What history? Suspect If it's about Romans that's a definite no from me. I've just finished reading 'The Iliad' and Robin Lane Fox's 'The Classical World', so I'm sick of Greeks and Romans.

Might I suggest a variation on a theme...

Sleep Sleep Sleep Surely?

Nice to see you think outside the box Cookie, or was it all allegations that socialism is full of Satanists and child-eaters?
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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:57 am

905 wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
Is everyone ready to move on in a week or two to a new book?

Is it time for history? Ard Taoiseach has been very patient.
What history? Suspect If it's about Romans that's a definite no from me. I've just finished reading 'The Iliad' and Robin Lane Fox's 'The Classical World', so I'm sick of Greeks and Romans.

In answer to your earlier post, I had posted a short biography link wrongly, its not working and I can't find the source. I think it said he was actually pushed out of the World Bank, because of disagreements.

I just found this critique of Stiglitz that might interest you - an Open Letter from a former IMF colleague.http://www.staff.city.ac.uk/p.willetts/PIE-DOCS/STIG-ROG.HTM

Whole I don't agree with its wholehearted defence of the IMF, I do agree that Stiglitz's recipe of print more money in heavily indebted economies just wouldn't work and would lead to inflation. Perhaps that's not what he is saying though: is it more that certain investment needs to be made even if it means printing more money?

Any other ideas for a good book ? I'm a bit gloomed out after Collapse and the last two - I could do with something more constructive rather than another critique of life as we live it.
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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:57 am

Well it's not likely that anything we'll be reading anything from Perle, Kahn or something written by Herbert London, so we may as well stick with what will be chosen.
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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:59 am

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Well it's not likely that anything we'll be reading anything from Perle, Kahn or something written by Herbert London, so we may as well stick with what will be chosen.

I would love to read something by Perle - the other two I'm not familiar with.
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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:07 am

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Any other ideas for a good book ? I'm a bit gloomed out after Collapse and the last two - I could do with something more constructive rather than another critique of life as we live it.
Patten is quite cheery, ah no. Well, he'snot too bad. Shirin Ebadi's 'Iran Awakening' was what I had in mind, it seems some that some people have far too rosy a picture of Iran and should see what it's like from the inside. But it's very gloomy. I've always wanted to have a crack at John Gray (wiki), but he's too pessimistic for words.

Perhaps a history would be best, one of those ones on salt or potatoes. I might suggest John Carey's 'What Good are the Arts?' which is an interesting and provocative critique of some things people take for granted about their culture.

Oo's Perle?
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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:10 am

cactus flower wrote:
cookiemonster wrote:
Well it's not likely that anything we'll be reading anything from Perle, Kahn or something written by Herbert London, so we may as well stick with what will be chosen.

I would love to read something by Perle - the other two I'm not familiar with.

Ever seen Dr. Strangelove?
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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:12 am

No. Is there a cultural snobbery glass ceiling I have to break through here?
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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:12 am

**** cookie posted above
**** 905 posted next

There's a book called Simplexity? Look at the lovely website he has ...

http://www.simplexitybook.com/
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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:13 am

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No. Is there a cultural snobbery glass ceiling I have to break through here?

I wouldn't have thought so.
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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:15 am

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**** cookie posted above
**** 905 posted next

There's a book called Simplexity? Look at the lovely website he has ...

http://www.simplexitybook.com/

heh, kahn was a systems theorist.
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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:28 am

Gray sounds well worth a read, but perhaps not upbeat...

Cookie - any book you think would get us thinking?
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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:29 am

Anyone want to read about evolution?
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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:29 am

Irish History?


or Perle - what did he write?
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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:35 am

cactus flower wrote:
Is everyone ready to move on in a week or two to a new book?

Is it time for history? Ard Taoiseach has been very patient.

Rubicon, Persian Fire, The Classical World, Imperium, Fatherland and Pompeii would all be fantastic reads.
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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:36 am

Or we could confirm Cookie's suspicions by reading



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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:39 am

Isn't that only a few pages long? I was always under the impression that it was an essay type thing.
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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:40 am

Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
Is everyone ready to move on in a week or two to a new book?

Is it time for history? Ard Taoiseach has been very patient.

Rubicon, Persian Fire, The Classical World, Imperium, Fatherland and Pompeii would all be fantastic reads.

905 is worn out with the Romans and Greeks, but I'm not. I could read one of these myself.

What about "How the West Won" - military history?
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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:40 am

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Or we could confirm Cookie's suspicions by reading




What's the point? It's discredited rubbish.
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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:40 am

905 wrote:
Isn't that only a few pages long? I was always under the impression that it was an essay type thing.

Small, but perfectly formed Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:42 am

cactus flower wrote:
Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
Is everyone ready to move on in a week or two to a new book?

Is it time for history? Ard Taoiseach has been very patient.

Rubicon, Persian Fire, The Classical World, Imperium, Fatherland and Pompeii would all be fantastic reads.

905 is worn out with the Romans and Greeks, but I'm not. I could read one of these myself.

What about "How the West Won" - military history?

Persian Fire is all about how the West was won. It's a fascinating recount of the cataclysmic events which safeguarded Greek civilisation and thereby protected the germ of democracy from the fumigating hordes of Persian warriors so that it could be transmitted around the world.
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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:42 am

Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
cactus flower wrote:
Or we could confirm Cookie's suspicions by reading




What's the point? It's discredited rubbish.

Have you read it, Ard-Taoiseach? I haven't read it for years. You could dismember it with incisive analytical counterpolemic.
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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:42 am

I could handle the Persians and I don't exactly have a veto here. Or do I...

While not immediately taken with the idea of a fiction set back then, I was a fan of Nicholas Guild's 'The Assyrian', so it might be an idea I could adjust to.
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PostSubject: Re: Evenings Getting Shorter - Time to Choose a New Bookclub Book   Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:46 am

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Have you read it, Ard-Taoiseach? I haven't read it for years. You could dismember it with incisive analytical counterpolemic.

I don't need to dismember it, the total failure of its application in any country be it the USSR, China, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba and, coming soon, Venezuela makes the case for me. Communism is a cul-de-sac of an ideology while free market capitalism allied to liberal democracy is the highway to heaven.
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