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PostSubject: Re: Obama - Does the Hype reflect Reality?   Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:15 pm

Now, I have kept my tongue on the whole Obama being black thing. But am I the only one that has a problem with the notion of Powell as black? Look at him!
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PostSubject: Re: Obama - Does the Hype reflect Reality?   Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:22 pm

Nobody really seems to want to admit that mixed parentage is a very big category of people. I suppose this way of dividing people up goes back to the days when any sign of black ancestry got you excluded.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama - Does the Hype reflect Reality?   Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:30 pm

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Nobody really seems to want to admit that mixed parentage is a very big category of people. I suppose this way of dividing people up goes back to the days when any sign of black ancestry got you excluded.
It's peculiar to the states, in other parts of the Americas there are plenty of layers of racial mixes. The funny thing is that many supposedly white people in Latin America can be viciously racist themselves, but when they go to the US they get lumped with the same people they despise.

But I want to know, did it come as a shock to anyone else to find out he was regarded as black? Chris Patten mentioned it in that book of his and I was astounded. (Incidentally he has a new book out, yippee!)
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PostSubject: Re: Obama - Does the Hype reflect Reality?   Sun Oct 19, 2008 6:44 pm

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cactus flower wrote:
Nobody really seems to want to admit that mixed parentage is a very big category of people. I suppose this way of dividing people up goes back to the days when any sign of black ancestry got you excluded.
It's peculiar to the states, in other parts of the Americas there are plenty of layers of racial mixes. The funny thing is that many supposedly white people in Latin America can be viciously racist themselves, but when they go to the US they get lumped with the same people they despise.

But I want to know, did it come as a shock to anyone else to find out he was regarded as black? Chris Patten mentioned it in that book of his and I was astounded. (Incidentally he has a new book out, yippee!)

I have a great uncle from Bristol, and it was only after he died it occurred to me that he must have had black ancestry. Colette, Grande Dame of French Literature did too: it was never an issue. It will presumably over time get to be less and less of a big deal.

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PostSubject: Re: Obama - Does the Hype reflect Reality?   Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:20 pm

Softball is a different game
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PostSubject: Re: Obama - Does the Hype reflect Reality?   Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:54 pm

youngdan wrote:
Softball is a different game

Read the quote again please dan.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama - Does the Hype reflect Reality?   Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:26 am

My humblest apoligies Riadach. You are correct. When the republicans picked McCain I would go as far as to say it was handball they were playing.

Even Romney would be trouncing Obama and the other side of the coin is Hillary would be trouncing McCain by 30 points.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama - Does the Hype reflect Reality?   Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:36 pm

The campaign is certainly hotting up.

McCain voter shoots at poster thieves 28/10/2008 - 14:20:31
A John McCain supporter opened fire on two teenagers trying to steal his campaign poster, hitting one in the arm.

Police said 50-year-old Kenneth Rowles told officers in Warren Township, Ohio, that he got out a .22-calibre rifle to fire warning shots, not hurt anyone. The two shots hit the van the youths were in.

Rowles pleaded not guilty to felonious assault.

Police said the victim and his cousin admitted stealing signs from the Rowles garden and elsewhere.

Rowles had the only McCain sign on a street plastered with ones for Barack Obama.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama - Does the Hype reflect Reality?   Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:36 pm

I have a friend who is going to an Obama rally in Virginia today. If I get any word from them on how it was I will pass it on.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama - Does the Hype reflect Reality?   Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:48 pm

Obama's 30 minute 'infomercial' which aired across networks last night:

Part I

Part II

Part III

Part IV
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PostSubject: Re: Obama - Does the Hype reflect Reality?   Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:46 am

There was a lot of interesting speculation in this thread as to whether Obama would deliver "change" - in a few weeks we won't have to speculate any more.
His "No comment" on Gaza, and the people he has appointed, would suggest that US foreign policy will remain at least as predatory as it was under Bush.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama - Does the Hype reflect Reality?   Wed Dec 31, 2008 1:56 pm

cactus flower wrote:
There was a lot of interesting speculation in this thread as to whether Obama would deliver "change" - in a few weeks we won't have to speculate any more.
His "No comment" on Gaza, and the people he has appointed, would suggest that US foreign policy will remain at least as predatory as it was under Bush.

John Pilger wrote this column in the New Statesman recently:

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My first visit to Texas was in 1968, on the fifth anniversary of the assassination of president John F Kennedy in Dallas. I drove south, following the line of telegraph poles to the small town of Midlothian, where I met Penn Jones Jr, editor of the Midlothian Mirror. Except for his drawl and fine boots, everything about Penn was the antithesis of the Texas stereotype. Having exposed the racists of the John Birch Society, his printing press had been repeatedly firebombed. Week after week, he painstakingly assembled evidence that all but demolished the official version of Kennedy’s murder.

This was journalism as it had been before corporate journalism was invented, before the first schools of journalism were set up and a mythology of liberal neutrality was spun around those whose “professionalism” and “objectivity” carried an unspoken obligation to ensure that news and opinion were in tune with an establishment consensus, regardless of the truth. Journalists such as Penn Jones, independent of vested power, indefatigable and principled, often reflect ordinary American attitudes, which have seldom conformed to the stereotypes promoted by the corporate media on both sides of the Atlantic. Read American Dreams: Lost and Found by the masterly Studs Terkel, who died the other day, or scan the surveys that unerringly attribute enlightened views to a majority who believe that “government should care for those who cannot care for themselves” and are prepared to pay higher taxes for universal health care, who support nuclear disarmament and want their troops out of other people’s countries.

Returning to Texas, I am struck again by those so unlike the redneck stereotype, in spite of the burden of a form of brainwashing placed on most Americans from a tender age: that theirs is the most superior society in the history of the world, and all means are justified, including the spilling of copious blood, in maintaining that superiority.

That is the subtext of Barack Obama’s “oratory”. He says he wants to build up US military power; and he threatens to ignite a new war in Pakistan, killing yet more brown-skinned people. That will bring tears, too. Unlike those on election night, these other tears will be unseen in Chicago and London. This is not to doubt the sincerity of much of the response to Obama’s election, which happened not because of the unction that has passed for news reporting from America since 4 November (e.g. "liberal Americans smiled and the world smiled with them") but for the same reasons that millions of angry emails were sent to the White House and Congress when the “bailout” of Wall Street was revealed, and because most Americans are fed up with war.

Two years ago, this anti-war vote installed a Democratic majority in Congress, only to watch the Democrats hand over more money to George W Bush to continue his blood fest. For his part, the "anti-war" Obama never said the illegal invasion of Iraq was wrong, merely that it was a “mistake”. Thereafter, he voted in to give Bush what he wanted. Yes, Obama’s election is historic, a symbol of great change to many. But it is equally true that the American elite has grown adept at using the black middle and management class. The courageous Martin Luther King recognised this when he linked the human rights of black Americans with the human rights of the Vietnamese, then being slaughtered by a liberal Democratic administration. And he was shot. In striking contrast, a young black major serving in Vietnam, Colin Powell, was used to “investigate” and whitewash the infamous My Lai massacre. As Bush’s secretary of state, Powell was often described as a “liberal” and was considered ideal to lie to the United Nations about Iraq’s non-existent weapons of mass destruction. Condaleezza Rice, lauded as a successful black woman, has worked assiduously to deny the Palestinians justice.

Obama’s first two crucial appointments represent a denial of the wishes of his supporters on the principal issues on which they voted. The vice-president-elect, Joe Biden, is a proud warmaker and Zionist. Rahm Emanuel, who is to be the all-important White House chief of staff, is a fervent "neoliberal" devoted to the doctrine that led to the present economic collapse and impoverishment of millions. He is also an “Israel-first” Zionist who served in the Israeli army and opposes meaningful justice for the Palestinians – an injustice that is at the root of Muslim people’s loathing of the United States and the spawning of jihadism.

No serious scrutiny of this is permitted within the histrionics of Obamamania, just as no serious scrutiny of the betrayal of the majority of black South Africans was permitted within the “Mandela moment”. This is especially marked in Britain, where America’s divine right to “lead” is important to elite British interests. The once respected Observer newspaper, which supported Bush’s war in Iraq, echoing his fabricated evidence, now announces, without evidence, that “America has restored the world’s faith in its ideals”. These “ideals”, which Obama will swear to uphold, have overseen, since 1945, the destruction of 50 governments, including democracies, and 30 popular liberation movements, causing the deaths of countless men, women and children.

None of this was uttered during the election campaign. Had it been allowed, there might even have been recognition that liberalism as a narrow, supremely arrogant, war-making ideology is destroying liberalism as a reality. Prior to Blair’s criminal warmaking, ideology was denied by him and his media mystics. “Blair can be a beacon to the world,” declared the Guardian in 1997. “[He is] turning leadership into an art form.”

Today, merely insert “Obama”. As for historic moments, there is another that has gone unreported but is well under way – liberal democracy’s shift towards a corporate dictatorship, managed by people regardless of ethnicity, with the media as its clichéd façade. “True democracy,” wrote Penn Jones Jr, the Texas truth-teller, “is constant vigilance: not thinking the way you’re meant to think and keeping your eyes wide open at all times.”
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PostSubject: Re: Obama - Does the Hype reflect Reality?   Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:00 pm

Hits the nail on the head with that Pilger article. Powell specifically has been a rat all his life from Vietnam to the UN speach and beyond.
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PostSubject: Re: Obama - Does the Hype reflect Reality?   Tue Jan 20, 2009 1:04 am

Bread and bloomin' circuses. Mad
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