Prostitution - Is it a Good Thing?

Ard-Taoiseach wrote:

Auditor #9 wrote:I can't impress girls enough with my dancing so they'll want to stay with me forever.

Just buy them and it's much simpler.

Can of worms ahoy! Is there a belief in you that the utmost driving force behind the motivations of the opposite sex is this

Ard-Taoiseach wrote:

Auditor #9 wrote:

Zhou_Enlai wrote:What if one, shallowly, is into pretty girls?

I thought the girls went for good dancers (confidence) now you're saying you have to smell nice too? What next? I thought BO was someway attractive to women - maybe not. Aren't women super-detectors of whether a man is a good provider or not and they only really go for men who can feather a nest and father a nest and then forage for the bacon consistently until the chicks are big enough and ugly enough to attempt suicide? (i.e. jump out of nest). Is cleanliness supposed to be an outward sign that a man is a good example of this? I sincerely hope not.

Just buy them and it's much simpler.

That is taking the free market too far, Ard Taoiseach. Plus, I'm sure you don't need to.

cactus flower wrote:

Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
Just buy them and it's much simpler.

That is taking the free market too far, Ard Taoiseach. Plus, I'm sure you don't need to.

I was watching a programme about Istanbul on BBC2 earlier. The ottoman Emperor just locked them up in a special palace where he stored lots of them. A much cheaper solution .

johnfás wrote:

cactus flower wrote:

Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
Just buy them and it's much simpler.

That is taking the free market too far, Ard Taoiseach. Plus, I'm sure you don't need to.

I was watching a programme about Istanbul on BBC2 earlier. The ottoman Emperor just locked them up in a special palace where he stored lots of them. A much cheaper solution .

I have visited it Johnfás, its on the tourist trail. It certainly was cheap. It was a grim gaol of windowless cells. He never even met them, it was all for numerical one-upmanship.

Ooops. Sorry. Don't wan't to spoil the men's stuff thread. If need be will move to an alternative wimmin's thread.

johnfás wrote:

cactus flower wrote:

Ard-Taoiseach wrote:
Just buy them and it's much simpler.

That is taking the free market too far, Ard Taoiseach. Plus, I'm sure you don't need to.

I was watching a programme about Istanbul on BBC2 earlier. The ottoman Emperor just locked them up in a special palace where he stored lots of them. A much cheaper solution .

He could have gone one step further and rented them to yield a return on the capital invested in the construction of the special palace.

It seems to me that prostitution would have been much preferable to being shut up in those little tombs. A lot of women have had a good start in life out of being bad.
But only if they are self-employed.

Fascinating programme on TG4 now on prostitution in Ireland.

I remember my lecturer telling me there was a specifical prohibition in the Irish canons on using one's church as a brothel.

riadach wrote:I remember my lecturer telling me there was a specifical prohibition in the Irish canons on using one's church as a brothel.

Someone should compile a list of daft Irish laws.

905 wrote:

riadach wrote:I remember my lecturer telling me there was a specifical prohibition in the Irish canons on using one's church as a brothel.

Someone should compile a list of daft Irish laws.

My favourite one is the regulation on how one should pick up a broach when one drops it.

What a title!!!

'Good' isn't a word that would have popped into my mind on the subject of the oldest profession.

Is it good?

How did the expression "cute hoor" become a compliment to a male ?

Probably something to do with original sin.

I'm sure it's our fault one way or another... wimmin!

Kate P wrote:What a title!!!

'Good' isn't a word that would have popped into my mind on the subject of the oldest profession.

Is it good?

If it's done right.

I don't love the idea of prostitution, you don't see it in the list of doctor, engineer, teacher on the "what I want to be when I grow up list. But then you don't see "customer service agent" or "insurance investigator" on that list either.

Once it's safe and it's fair then I don't see that much of a problem with it. I think legalisation is the way to ensure it is safe and fair. It IS going on already and it's not going to go away, at least we could improve the lot of those involved.

cookiemonster wrote:

Kate P wrote:What a title!!!

'Good' isn't a word that would have popped into my mind on the subject of the oldest profession.

Is it good?

If it's done right.

I don't love the idea of prostitution, you don't see it in the list of doctor, engineer, teacher on the "what I want to be when I grow up list. But then you don't see "customer service agent" or "insurance investigator" on that list either.

Once it's safe and it's fair then I don't see that much of a problem with it. I think legalisation is the way to ensure it is safe and fair. It IS going on already and it's not going to go away, at least we could improve the lot of those involved.

I've never really understood the problem people have with prostitution. Sex is legal. Money is legal. What's the issue?

Both sex and money tend to bring out the worst in people. Add them together and it's a mess (ooh er).

I recall a very odd conversation I was witness to some years ago. I'd been on the tear in town and though I had perfectly good bed in a house in Ballsbridge I ended up in a hotel room about 20 yards from said house. There were various people in the room in various states of intoxication from various sources.
I was there with a friend of mine and a friend of hers. There were other people in the room who were friends of my friend.
Anyway at the small hours of the morning people had basically fallen down and were sleeping where they fell. I was below the corby trouser press.
There was one guy, an arrogant shit, who was trying it on with the other girl who came with me to said party. He was basically telling her how fantastic he was, spent all night doing this along with telling her how amazing she was and how he'd never met anything like her. Fair play she spotted the bull shit and held her ground.
Them at like 8-9 in the morning I happened to wake up and he was still bugging the poor girl, but then came the classic like, "I think you're the most amazing person I've ever met..." she grunted totally uninterested in his advances "I'll give you 50 euro if you have sex with me...". She burst out laughing. I was very surreal. Twatboy never lived it down.

ibis wrote:
I've never really understood the problem people have with prostitution. Sex is legal. Money is legal. What's the issue?

In times gone by it was less complicated.

But its safe to say now that prostitution are human trafficing are one in the same thing.

I have no problem with prostitution; I do have a problem with human trafficing, and prostitution sustains human trafficing.

seinfeld wrote:

ibis wrote:
I've never really understood the problem people have with prostitution. Sex is legal. Money is legal. What's the issue?

In times gone by it was less complicated.

But its safe to say now that prostitution are human trafficing are one in the same thing.

I have no problem with prostitution; I do have a problem with human trafficing, and prostitution sustains human trafficing.

Good point. However, is that because it exists, or because it is illegal? After all, alcohol no longer fuels organised crime (except in the usual ways).

ibis wrote:

seinfeld wrote:

ibis wrote:
I've never really understood the problem people have with prostitution. Sex is legal. Money is legal. What's the issue?

In times gone by it was less complicated.

But its safe to say now that prostitution are human trafficing are one in the same thing.

I have no problem with prostitution; I do have a problem with human trafficing, and prostitution sustains human trafficing.

Good point. However, is that because it exists, or because it is illegal? After all, alcohol no longer fuels organised crime (except in the usual ways).

Interestingly, there is very little evidence of trafficing in Amsterdam's legal sex trade.

I've been to the Red Light district a few times. Its all very seedy (the first time I was there, Rangers were playing Eindhoven in the UEFA cup; it was scary) but there isn't any sense of exploitation.

The girls are all very organised and efficient and its very obvious that they are 'at work'.

seinfeld wrote:

ibis wrote:

seinfeld wrote:

ibis wrote:
I've never really understood the problem people have with prostitution. Sex is legal. Money is legal. What's the issue?

In times gone by it was less complicated.

But its safe to say now that prostitution are human trafficing are one in the same thing.

I have no problem with prostitution; I do have a problem with human trafficing, and prostitution sustains human trafficing.

Good point. However, is that because it exists, or because it is illegal? After all, alcohol no longer fuels organised crime (except in the usual ways).

Interestingly, there is very little evidence of trafficing in Amsterdam's legal sex trade.

I've been to the Red Light district a few times. Its all very seedy (the first time I was there, Rangers were playing Eindhoven in the UEFA cup; it was scary) but there isn't any sense of exploitation.

The girls are all very organised and efficient and its very obvious that they are 'at work'.

Which suggests the latter, then, rather than the former. The problem here is that we need someone who genuinely believes that prostitution should be illegal. I'm usually happy playing devil's advocate, but I can't think myself into that mindset.

ibis wrote:

seinfeld wrote:

ibis wrote:

seinfeld wrote:

ibis wrote:
I've never really understood the problem people have with prostitution. Sex is legal. Money is legal. What's the issue?

In times gone by it was less complicated.

But its safe to say now that prostitution are human trafficing are one in the same thing.

I have no problem with prostitution; I do have a problem with human trafficing, and prostitution sustains human trafficing.

Good point. However, is that because it exists, or because it is illegal? After all, alcohol no longer fuels organised crime (except in the usual ways).

Interestingly, there is very little evidence of trafficing in Amsterdam's legal sex trade.

I've been to the Red Light district a few times. Its all very seedy (the first time I was there, Rangers were playing Eindhoven in the UEFA cup; it was scary) but there isn't any sense of exploitation.

The girls are all very organised and efficient and its very obvious that they are 'at work'.

Which suggests the latter, then, rather than the former. The problem here is that we need someone who genuinely believes that prostitution should be illegal. I'm usually happy playing devil's advocate, but I can't think myself into that mindset.

At some point in the last 100 years, our attitude to vice and the law seems to have crystalised. Politics has dictated that what is legal now will be legal forever, and what is illegal now will be illegal forever.

Hence, alcohol and tabacco are legal, and will remain so, even though the cause immense damage, and cannabis and prostitution are illegal, and will remain so, even though there is evidence that they would cause less damage if they were legal.

Basically, politically sensitivity has closed the door on debate about vice and the law; what got in before it shut stays in, and what didn't, stays outside.

Prostitution can't be a good thing because there is nothing inherently good about it.

I'm quite surprised at your suggestion ibis, that simply because sex is legal and money is legal prostitution is therefore a non-issue. Prostitution isn't just about sex because there are tangential related issues to do with exploitation, drug addiction, human trafficking, AIDS, pornography, violence against women and of course devaluing women and sex by turning the latter into commodities.

Kate P wrote:Prostitution can't be a good thing because there is nothing inherently good about it.

I'm quite surprised at your suggestion ibis, that simply because sex is legal and money is legal prostitution is therefore a non-issue. Prostitution isn't just about sex because there are tangential related issues to do with exploitation, drug addiction, human trafficking, AIDS, pornography, violence against women and of course devaluing women and sex by turning the latter into commodities.

I would argue, though, that the majority of those come about through criminalisation of prostitution. What would happen if you made pre-marital sex criminal, do you think?

Pre-marital sex was virtually criminalised in this country at least until relatively recently. But it's a nice red herring.

We don't allow the buying and selling of human organs on the open market, nor do we think it's acceptable to buy and sell children - there are strict rules about adoption. Yet it's deemed okay to 'buy' women by the hour and sure, if it was all done above board, it would be okay.

Kate P wrote:Pre-marital sex was virtually criminalised in this country at least until relatively recently. But it's a nice red herring.

We don't allow the buying and selling of human organs on the open market, nor do we think it's acceptable to buy and sell children - there are strict rules about adoption. Yet it's deemed okay to 'buy' women by the hour and sure, if it was all done above board, it would be okay.

Well, exactly - it's a rental market. If there was no element of coercion involved, why would it be unacceptable for someone to pay for sex?